Captain America’s shield & its rating

[Osemere]

How can Captain America’s shield be 1-A in durability if it’s a regular Earth metal and doesn’t have any higher-power source to back its durability? Isn’t this an anti-feat?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How can Captain America’s shield be 1-A in durability if it’s a regular Earth metal and doesn’t have any higher-power source to back its durability? Isn’t this an anti-feat

That shit is not anywhere near regular Earth metal. It's god damn Vibranium fused with Proto-Adamantium, two of the most potent materials in all of Marvel.

 

[Osemere]

That shit is not anywhere near regular Earth metal. It's god damn Vibranium fused with Proto-Adamantium, two of the most potent materials in all of Marvel.

I guess you would have to appeal to some of Vibranium’s mystical properties for this to make sense (because otherwise, no matter how strong a metal’s molecular bonds are, even if it’s an alien metal, it can’t have 1-A durability). Does that have any justification with regard to Cap’s shield?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I guess you would have to appeal to some of Vibranium’s mystical properties for this to make sense (because otherwise, no matter how strong a metal’s molecular bonds are, even if it’s an alien metal, it can’t have 1-A durability). Does that have any justification with regard to Cap’s shield?

You could say the same kind of shenanigans for any piece of equipment in Marvel.

 

[Osemere]

You could say the same kind of shenanigans for any piece of equipment in Marvel.

Sure, but two wrongs doesn’t make a right. I think something like Mysterium wouldn’t be affected by this (maybe), it specifically works based on Kirbons, which operate from the White Hot Room. It doesn’t seem like Cap’s shield has something like this.

Relevant thread to look at:

Can 3-D characters have 1-A physicals?

So, as we all know, the Tiering System is divided into two directions of power: Quantitative and qualitative. When we say the difference between X and Y is "quantitative," we mean exactly what's on the tin: It has to do with quantity. Some numerical determination keeping them apart. So the...

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sure, but two wrongs doesn’t make a right. I think something like Mysterium wouldn’t be affected by this, it specifically works based on Kirbons IIRC, which operate from the White Hot Room. It doesn’t seem like Cap’s shield has something like this.

Relevant thread to look at:

Can 3-D characters have 1-A physicals?

So, as we all know, the Tiering System is divided into two directions of power: Quantitative and qualitative. When we say the difference between X and Y is "quantitative," we mean exactly what's on the tin: It has to do with quantity. Some numerical determination keeping them apart. So the...

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It doesn't matter when Cap's shield has feats out the ass to prove otherwise, not to mention it literally just got another one in the form of not only no-selling but reflecting the Atomic Breath from a version of Godzilla that literally killed Thor and a Celestial.

 

[Osemere]

It doesn't matter when Cap's shield has feats out the ass to prove otherwise, not to mention it literally just got another one in the form of not only no-selling but reflecting the Atomic Breath from a version of Godzilla that literally killed Thor and a Celestial.

It doesn’t matter if it blocks attacks from a million 1-As, that wouldn’t overpower that it’s specifically a quantitative entity whose durability is sourced in its physiology. That would be an anti-feat for those million 1-As instead of anything else.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It doesn’t matter if it blocks attacks from a million 1-As, that wouldn’t overpower that it’s specifically a qualitative entity whose durability is sourced in its physiology. That would be an anti-feat for those million 1-As instead of anything else.

That goes against the very core of this site's workings. FEATS TRUMP EVERYTHING ELSE IF THEY'RE CONSISTENT!

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I think this thread raises good points. I'm gonna be honest, this is why I think Skyfathers should've remained at High 1-B. Unless vibranium draws its essence or existence from a 1-A aspect of reality (like how gods in Marvel are living stories, and all stories are born from the House of Ideas, or magic is power drawn from planes/beings like Eternity, Otherworld, the God Quarry, or the Beyonders, or how Pym Particles are constructed from material from the White Hot Room), it shouldn't be able to match 1-A power, plain and simple. Is there evidence that vibranium originates from a 1-A plane of reality in Marvel, or that it is magic-based?

Secondly, a 1-A level cannot be attained by a process in which the lower level quantitatively "adds up" to itself to break through into the higher one, due to the total lack of structural continuity between the two; the higher level cannot be attained, nor expressed by, any expansions of the lower one, and therefore things from the latter cannot interfere with the former by means of their own lower existences. Put simply: A non-1-A cannot reach the level of 1-A by appealing to another non-1-A

However, there are ways to bypass this barrier. For example, a non-1-A can be empowered by a higher entity into being able to influence things on a qualitatively superior level. This can happen either by a straightforward power boost, or by means of some innate metaphysical potential rooted in something from a higher reality (This can include both characters who are converted into natives of higher planes and characters who are physically lower-dimensional but have 1-A statistics). In neither case is the capability to reach into the higher level something emergent from the structure of the lower level, and therefore they are acceptable ways to get around the above hurdles.