Can Sonic solo Nintendo?

[GyroNutz]

I think I know the answer already, but how would a match between Archie Pre-Genesis wave Sonic and the entirety of Nintendo look like?

Speed is not equal and all characters are in-character to an extent (they won't attack their own teammates even if they would normally) but willing to kill Sonic/Nintendo. Also nothing above 2-A is allowed.

Ik this is in fun and games but I want a serious answer; who wins and why?

Super Sonic vs Nintendo

 

[Imaginym]

I'm pretty sure the answer is "No". https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wave_Existence

Officially, our Wiki's page on Nintendo (Which you linked to in your opening post in this thread.) includes Xenoblade as a Nintendo 'verse.

 

[GyroNutz]

Oof, forgot about Xenoblade.

Ima amend the OP quickly

 

[Imaginym]

>Editing to include "Also nothing above 2-A is allowed."

Well, now it's a stomp the other way. I skimmed the 'verses on the Nintendo page; I couldn't actually find any 2-A characters among those 'verses. So Super Sonic tier stomps instead.

So yes, if you disallow anything above 2-A (The Wave Existence being the only exception I know of.), then yes, Super Sonic can solo, but otherwise, Wave Existence gets rid of Sonic. (Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, maybe someone in Nintendo can speed blitz Super Sonic, lol?)

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That descriptions sounds more at least Low 1-C for wave existence

 

[GyroNutz]

Is there any character who could outhax Sonic and defeat him that way? That's kinda the original intention of the post

 

[Imaginym]

Base Sonic or Super Sonic? Because base requires being at least MFTL+, & Super Sonic requires being Immeasurable or Irrelevant in Speed.

Beating him that way requires actually beating him before he speedblitzes everyone.

Let's look at Sonic's resistances....

Resistance to Magic, Reality Warping and Mind Manipulation from beings as powerful as Enerjak, Forcefield Creation, Immortality (Type 8. This is reliant on Sonic's One Billionth Power Ring Aura which allowed him to recover from being erased from existence by the Ultimate Annhilator. It also explicitly allowed him to retain his life force during Mecha Madness),

Can anyone from Nintendo stop a 2-A with those abilities? Could Dialga simply time travel & kill Sonic in the past? (Assuming Sonic SOMEHOW doesn't get to Dialga before it does so because other stuff to stomp amonst all of Nintendo.)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Anyone above 2-A wins going by how he's listed on this wiki.

I think someone in the Creation Trio could outhax him if they're quick about it.

 

[Overlord775]

Uxie opens his eyes and mind screwes Sonic

 

[Imaginym]

@Maverick Zero X: That's great, but after I mentioned the only character above 2-A I could find among Nintendo characters, GyroNutz edited the OP to say nothing above 2-A, & I don't know of any 2-A Nintendo characters.

@Overlord775: Resistance to Mind Manipulation from beings as powerful as Enerjak, unfortunately.

I'd like to find a way for Super Sonic to lose; At the very least, it's a good thought experiment. But currently, it's proving very difficult.

 

[RKGenki]

He gets paradoxed, he doesn't have Acausality nor Time Paradox Immunity

 

[Bobsican]

He gets paradoxed, he doesn't have Acausality nor Time Paradox Immunity

Immortality type 8 kek

 

[Overlord775]

Dilaga time paradoxes the power ring aura too

 

[RKGenki]

Immortality doesn't save you if you're killed before you got it

 

[Bobsican]

Dialga does that in-character?

 

[ShakeResounding]

That's a good question, which I'd like to know the answer to.

But from what I'm seeing, Super Sonic seems to solo most of Nintendo without a problem. Hell, there was even an obviously unadded match where he "won" against Arceus.

 

[GyroNutz]

I saw it. And 99.9% of Nintendo get hopelessly speedblitzed

But with the rest of Nintendo working together, could one of them put down Super Sonic?

 

[Overlord775]

there are multiple omniscent beings on team nintendo and Sonic is very cocky, so i think they would be able to pull it off

 

[RKGenki]

Hell, there was even an obviously unadded match where he "won" against Arceus.

That's because no one took the lack of acausality into account. Look at Madoka vs Sonic to get an idea of how easy of a detail it is to miss.

 

[Kirbyelmejor]

We need to wait to have a Nintendo verse to be confirmed to have infinite universes

 

[Bobsican]

We need to wait to have a Nintendo verse to be confirmed to have infinite universes

So far, it is basically confirmed to have millions of universes, so it´s obviously pretty high in 2-B, the problem is that a finite number is nothing to 2-A.

 

[Overlord775]

• trillions

 

[The_Smashor]

Arceus could try his heart out for a few minates. If it's lucky.

The thing is, Super Archie Sonic is more than 2-A and Immeasureable. If there is literally ANY way he wins, he WILL win thanks to Fate Manipulation. If there was one senario Sonic beats a Tier 0 and it can't nullify his fate hax, then he would win. Battles can't just go either way with Archie Sonic.

 

[Overlord775]

Massive necro

 

[GyroNutz]

Idm the necro, but I do mind the fate manip wank

 

[The_Smashor]

Yeah I never read the Archie Comics so I probaly have this about 200% wrong.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

". If there was one senario Sonic beats a Tier 0 and it can't nullify his fate hax, then he would win."

No, a tier 0 is by default higher than 1-A and Sonic's Fate Manip isn't even infinite dimensional.

 

[The_Smashor]

Alright, but you get my general point. Unless somebody is beyond fate or has a garenteed way to kill Sonic, they lose.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Being in a higher dimension than his hax works.

 

[The_Smashor]

Beyond 3D/4D fate. Better?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

y u h

 

[Overlord775]

Alright, but you get my general point. Unless somebody is beyond fate or has a garenteed way to kill Sonic, they lose.

Or just via a batter fate hax