Can he beat Gojo tho?-Bayverse Upgrade

[Fastestthingalive50]

(I’m doing this on mobile so it might look awful, I’m sorry)
Ok, I was super bored today so I went through some Bayverse stuff to see if I can upgrade them, and I noticed that we are still downplaying Shockwave tiers. In the canon DotM video game prequel, Optimus refers to Shockwave as “as tough as they come.” This would include the Fallen, as the game takes place after RotF.

This is referring to his strength and durability, as directly after this, Optimus says that he can’t do anything against Shockwave’s armor, and as we know, Shockwave is physically stronger than Optimus, shown by how he can easily overpower him during their fight.

In the Vector Sigma bios for the movie characters, Megatron is stated to be able to rival Shockwave

Because of this, I’m proposing we upgrade Shockwave tier characters (Shockwave, DotM Megatron, Galvatron, TLK Megatron, Jetwing Optimus, and the other goobers) to low 7-C based on scaling above the Fallen’s durability. The goobers being this strong also isn’t contradictory, as the DotM Breygent trading cards say that Optimus is stronger than ever.

Votes:
Agree (Shockbased): XsoulofcinderX, Emrip Sutpimo, Klmao
Disagree (Lockdown fans):
Neutral (They kiss instead): Migue79

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'll just be neutral on this. If it gets accepted then neat, if not then oh well.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

If I round to the nearest agree then I can count you as an agree, but I’m imagining that’s not completely allowed

 

[Migue79]

Neutral, leaning towards agreeing.

 

[Shadyboi0]

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

If that trading card scan is deemed acceptable for use then I'll agree with the CRT.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

If that trading card scan is deemed acceptable for use then I'll agree with the CRT.

I deem it acceptable, as do myself and me.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I deem it acceptable, as do myself and me.

If the Staff deem it acceptable.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

If the Staff deem it acceptable.

“Yeah it’s fine”-Kieran, the new admin

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Hmm, I’ll remain neutral as well. Leaning towards agreeing

 

[DaReaperMan]

 

[Dragonite007]

 

[KLOL506]

Neutral towards the Fallen side of things, okay with the rest.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 @Theglassman12 @Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer @AbaddonTheDisappointment @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Crabwhale

 

[Planck69]

Read through it and I trust KLOL's judgement on the matter.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Read through it and I trust KLOL's judgement on the matter.

Same

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

DotM Megatron, Galvatron, TLK Megatron, Jetwing Optimus, and the other goobers)

Shockwave and Jetwing Optimus I understand. But others definitely don't. Jetwing Optimus is a glass cannon and it isn't something that amps his durability. Only his AP and flight. His boss fight even backs this up, as the health bar does not change in the slightest.

Secondly, you forgot to point out that DOTM Optimus being stronger would mean 2007 to ROTF Optimus would have to be downgraded as 8-A currently comes from TLK Optimus. 2007 to ROTF Optimus should upscale to baseline 8-A from Blackout's 8-B+ calc. Character around this level should be 8-B+ to baseline 8-A

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Shockwave and Jetwing Optimus I understand. But others definitely don't. Jetwing Optimus is a glass cannon and it isn't something that amps his durability.

It withstood him ramming through Driller

Only his AP and flight. His boss fight even backs this up, as the health bar does not change in the slightest.

That’s not at all a sturdy argument.

Secondly, you forgot to point out that DOTM Optimus being stronger would mean 2007 to ROTF Optimus would have to be downgraded as 8-A currently comes from TLK Optimus. 2007 to ROTF Optimus should upscale to baseline 8-A from Blackout's 8-B+ calc. Character around this level should be 8-B+ to baseline 8-A

I’m doing rotf scaling in another thread, but this affects like, 2 characters, but I guess?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It withstood him ramming through Driller

He can do that in base form already. As we're shown, he can already take attacks from the driller with little damage, even when off guard in DOTM.

That’s not at all a sturdy argument.

Why so?

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

He can do that in base form already. As we're shown, he can already take attacks from the driller with little damage, even when off guard in DOTM.

He legit only withstood the driller flinging him up, no other attacks.

Why so?

Because that’s a game mechanic, and it’s done for fair gameplay.

 

[KLOL506]

Eh I don't agree with ROTF Prime not scaling to 8-A+. There ain't much confirming ROTF Prime to be that overwhelmingly weaker. The 8-A+ calc was also done on an Optimus who received battle wounds from Lockdown, ran out of juice and went into stasis lock before reviving after crashing into Cybertron. ROTF Prime should at least downscale if nothing else (Though I think they should just be comparable, 9.174 metric tons to 13.65 metric tons AKA 30,000 lbs isn't that big of a mass difference).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Eh I don't agree with ROTF Prime not scaling to 8-A+. There ain't much confirming ROTF Prime to be that overwhelmingly weaker. The 8-A+ calc was also done on an Optimus who received battle wounds from Lockdown, ran out of juice and went into stasis lock before reviving after crashing into Cybertron. ROTF Prime should at least downscale if nothing else (Though I think they should just be comparable, 9.174 metric tons to 13.65 metric tons AKA 30,000 lbs isn't that big of a mass difference).

I stated this on Discord, but there's not much to suggest that ROTF Optimus scales to DOTM Optimus either, especially when the latter has better feats than the former. Plus I don't think it's that huge of a gap. Both are still well within 8-A.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So yeah, I agree with OP, but only Shockwave and Optimus with flight tech + his weapons should scale.

 

[KLOL506]

Assuming the sources aren't contradicted by primary canon (The movies), I suppose I can give my blessing to green-light scaling the goobers to the Fallen.

 

[KLOL506]

Also, all this talk of the Fallen and you MFers haven't made a profile on him. A plague upon you and your families till the heat death of the universe.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Also, all this talk of the Fallen and you MFers haven't made a profile on him. A plague upon you and your families till the heat death of the universe.

Emirp was gonna make one, but like, he forgo.

 

[KLOL506]

Emirp was gonna make one, but like, he forgo.

He always does

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Read through it and I trust KLOL's judgement on the matter.

Same

Now that he agrees with everything, can I count you guys as agree?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

@LordTracer Could you take a look at this pls? We need one more staff input

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus I've changed my vote.

 

[Planck69]

I suppose that the changes are fine now.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

That should be enough staff votes to apply this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good yeah.