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Can he beat Gojo tho?-Bayverse Upgrade

Fastestthingalive50

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Ok, I was super bored today so I went through some Bayverse stuff to see if I can upgrade them, and I noticed that we are still downplaying Shockwave tiers. In the canon DotM video game prequel, Optimus refers to Shockwave as “as tough as they come.” This would include the Fallen, as the game takes place after RotF.

This is referring to his strength and durability, as directly after this, Optimus says that he can’t do anything against Shockwave’s armor, and as we know, Shockwave is physically stronger than Optimus, shown by how he can easily overpower him during their fight.

In the Vector Sigma bios for the movie characters, Megatron is stated to be able to rival Shockwave

Because of this, I’m proposing we upgrade Shockwave tier characters (Shockwave, DotM Megatron, Galvatron, TLK Megatron, Jetwing Optimus, and the other goobers) to low 7-C based on scaling above the Fallen’s durability. The goobers being this strong also isn’t contradictory, as the DotM Breygent trading cards say that Optimus is stronger than ever.
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Votes:
Agree (Shockbased): XsoulofcinderX, Emrip Sutpimo, Klmao
Disagree (Lockdown fans):
Neutral (They kiss instead): Migue79
 
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Fastestthingalive50 said:
DotM Megatron, Galvatron, TLK Megatron, Jetwing Optimus, and the other goobers)
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Shockwave and Jetwing Optimus I understand. But others definitely don't. Jetwing Optimus is a glass cannon and it isn't something that amps his durability. Only his AP and flight. His boss fight even backs this up, as the health bar does not change in the slightest.

Secondly, you forgot to point out that DOTM Optimus being stronger would mean 2007 to ROTF Optimus would have to be downgraded as 8-A currently comes from TLK Optimus. 2007 to ROTF Optimus should upscale to baseline 8-A from Blackout's 8-B+ calc. Character around this level should be 8-B+ to baseline 8-A
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Shockwave and Jetwing Optimus I understand. But others definitely don't. Jetwing Optimus is a glass cannon and it isn't something that amps his durability.
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It withstood him ramming through Driller
Emirp sumitpo said:
Only his AP and flight. His boss fight even backs this up, as the health bar does not change in the slightest.
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That’s not at all a sturdy argument.
Emirp sumitpo said:
Secondly, you forgot to point out that DOTM Optimus being stronger would mean 2007 to ROTF Optimus would have to be downgraded as 8-A currently comes from TLK Optimus. 2007 to ROTF Optimus should upscale to baseline 8-A from Blackout's 8-B+ calc. Character around this level should be 8-B+ to baseline 8-A
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I’m doing rotf scaling in another thread, but this affects like, 2 characters, but I guess?
 
Eh I don't agree with ROTF Prime not scaling to 8-A+. There ain't much confirming ROTF Prime to be that overwhelmingly weaker. The 8-A+ calc was also done on an Optimus who received battle wounds from Lockdown, ran out of juice and went into stasis lock before reviving after crashing into Cybertron. ROTF Prime should at least downscale if nothing else (Though I think they should just be comparable, 9.174 metric tons to 13.65 metric tons AKA 30,000 lbs isn't that big of a mass difference).
 
KLOL506 said:
Eh I don't agree with ROTF Prime not scaling to 8-A+. There ain't much confirming ROTF Prime to be that overwhelmingly weaker. The 8-A+ calc was also done on an Optimus who received battle wounds from Lockdown, ran out of juice and went into stasis lock before reviving after crashing into Cybertron. ROTF Prime should at least downscale if nothing else (Though I think they should just be comparable, 9.174 metric tons to 13.65 metric tons AKA 30,000 lbs isn't that big of a mass difference).
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I stated this on Discord, but there's not much to suggest that ROTF Optimus scales to DOTM Optimus either, especially when the latter has better feats than the former. Plus I don't think it's that huge of a gap. Both are still well within 8-A.
 
Assuming the sources aren't contradicted by primary canon (The movies), I suppose I can give my blessing to green-light scaling the goobers to the Fallen.
 
Also, all this talk of the Fallen and you MFers haven't made a profile on him. A plague upon you and your families till the heat death of the universe.
 
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