Can a High 1-B harm a 1-A?

[Bobsican]

Just curious.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Nope. Doesn't matter how many dimensions you have; you're not touching someone who is beyond them entirely.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

A high 1-B may be an infinity of infinities above us, but a 1-A is unbound by conventional mathematics

 

[Akreious]

A 1-A is beyond the very concept of concepts of dimensions of concepts. High 1-B is infinite Dimensions. So no.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Technically concepts in their highest representation are 1-A themselves, actually.

Just beyond dimensions; don't get overly flowery.

 

[Akreious]

"Basically, a being or an object which is outside and beyond all concepts of time and space."

Actually, I'm not technically wrong.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

At least High 1-B is atier for a High 1-B consistently affecting a 1-A.

Walks out like a boss

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Akreious

Is that the official description? I was thinking about addressing 1-A soon and that would need to be talked about considering it's wrong.

 

[Antvasima]

We could change the word "concepts" to "dimensions" if you wish.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I would much prefer if you PM me first about any intended changes to our tiering system, and if you then start the thread, make it staff only. There could easily be complete chaos otherwise.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

High 1-B: I'm above INFINITE DIMENSIONS!

1-A: I'm above ALL THINGS CONCEPTS!!!!! A High 1-B would be a gnat compared to be.

0: ...

 

[Antvasima]

I have performed the word change: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Tiering_System&diff=2673919&oldid=2650576

 

[Crzer07]

High 1-B is pseudo-Platonic at best, 1-A is meta-conceptual (truly Platonic)

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Then why Ange Ushiromiya or Battler Ushiromiya can punch Bernkastel in the face?

 

[Antvasima]

The Umineko pages are very outdated, and in addition, Bernkastel uses avatars.

 

[RavenSupreme]

Thats similar to asking: Can the worlds longest drawn line inflict damage on you?

 

[PaChi2]

Nope. Doesn't matter how many dimensions you have; you're not touching someone who is beyond them entirely.

Keishirou Kyougetsu

Yes you can. Fite me. And he did it with 3. Infinitely infinites below High 1-B.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, fiction usually does not make sense, but logically speaking, it shouldn't be possible.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Ant

I would make any thread about 1-A staff only since it is such a high concept and would be a change to the qualifications of said tier. I plan on discussing it with Azzy before I even make a thread like that, though.

 

[Bobsican]

So I guess a High 1-B can`t harm a 1-A?

Makes Warhammer 40k Vs. Masadaverse

 

[Antvasima]

@Assaltwaffle

Okay. Thanks. It is probably best to first talk about it with me and DarkLK as well.

 

[Bobsican]

Thats similar to asking: Can the worlds longest drawn line inflict damage on you?

Grabs a part of it and starts stabbing myself with it

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

can i ask this hypothetical scenario for curiosity sake? The physical being and powers of this character is high 1-B but the hax and specific abilities can harm beings beyond dimensions so 1-A via hax is fine no? (This is kind of hypothetical though keishirou screwed it up with being 7-A and took on sukuna so...)

 

[First_Witch]

Then why Ange Ushiromiya or Battler Ushiromiya can punch Bernkastel in the face?

They punched a lower manifastation of Bern, not her allemcompassing true nature.

 

[Lightbuster30]

Yes actually. Assuming they have hax on that level without increasing their tier.

 

[Antvasima]

We should probably close this thread.

 

[Bobsican]

can i ask this hypothetical scenario for curiosity sake? The physical being and powers of this character is high 1-B but the hax and specific abilities can harm beings beyond dimensions so 1-A via hax is fine no? (This is kind of hypothetical though keishirou screwed it up with being 7-A and took on sukuna so...) </div>

Bumping this before this is closed.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I mean yes, 1-A hax is a thing. I thought this was physical.

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

Only Umineko characs have 1-A hax iirc. But it turns out they all need to be retiered to 1-A anyway.

 

[Extreme123dz]

In fiction, there are some abilities (natural, or by a deity/god/soruce of power, type of power, etc) that can literally hurt beings that are superior to you (like Wall with broken stuf can harm a Higher Dimension being or in this case, to a being 1-A), so yes, as long as there is a fairly explained thing and it is not an Outlier, PIS / CIS, Plot Moment, Inconsistency.

Logicaly, its "imposible"? "yes", but this is the ******* fiction, so, who likes it or not, it is very possible to a yes, it can happen and it could be shown.

The problem? find that character, xD

 

[Bobsican]

The problem? find that character, xD

Gan and the Emprah want to talk with you, I think.

 

[Bobsican]

I`ve noticed this has been added recently to the Vs. thread rules:

"Given the unfathomably extreme differences in scale between different characters in tiers High 1-B and 1-A, take note that fights between them demand considerable knowledge and analysis, and may often be impossible to determine due to insufficient information."

What is this exactly concluding into about this?

 

[Antvasima]

What is intended with that phrasing is that one High 1-B character could technically be an infinity^infinity times stronger than another, and the same goes for 1-A characters.

However, if the phrasing is confusing, we may have to better clarify it. I am not sure how to do so though.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Only Umineko characs have 1-A hax iirc. But it turns out they all need to be retiered to 1-A anyway.

LuL Wut?

 

[Lucis=the=Lumenian]

LuL Wut?

What I meant is they're the only non-1-A charas with 1-A hax (while masadaverse gods all are 1-As so obviously they have 1-A hax, duh). But Umineko characters would be retiered to 1-A anyway so they're not 'non-1-A charas with 1-A hax' anymore.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Both Keishirou Kyougetsu and Yakou Madara have 1-A Hax as 7-A and 4-C though. And if DT revision and Negativity comes back possibly Randall Flagg too.