Cain (DC Comics) vs Hatou Manabu

[DontTalkDT]

Cain (DC Comics) vs Hatou Manabu

SBA apply (meaning victory conditions aside from death exist)

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

How does she has 3 types of Acausality? Is that even possible?

 

[Dvorak1902]

Cain isn't dying. But he has no attack capable of incapping Hatou.

Hatou isn't killing herself by attacking Cain, her Immortality and Resistance seem to be far far above her common attacks.

Incon.

 

[DontTalkDT]

How does she has 3 types of Acausality? Is that even possible?

You can look in the respect thread for the details, but in essence she is unaffected by the time paradoxes she causes (Type 1), has no past and future (Type 2) and shares her consciousness with an unlimited amount of alternate "timeline" versions of herself (Type 3).

Cain isn't dying. But he has no attack capable of incapping Hatou.

Hatou isn't killing herself by attacking Cain, her Immortality and Resistance seem to be far far above her common attacks.

Incon.

Couldn't Hatou Incap or BFR Cain, though?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Cain has Dimensional Travel, so BFR wont work

 

[DontTalkDT]

Cain has Dimensional Travel, so BFR wont work

It says dimensional travel between the dreaming and the real world. Would that enable him to come back when send to a different planet or something?

And does he have a defense against incap?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Cain has Dimensional Travel, so BFR wont work

It says dimensional travel between the dreaming and the real world. Would that enable him to come back when send to a different planet or something?
And does he have a defense against incap?

Not sure

Well, he has Attack Reflection that not even Lucifer attempted to deal with

 

[DontTalkDT]

Yeah, been over that in threads before.

That attack reflection isn't assumed to protect him against things which don't physically harm him.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Im pretty sure 1-A Attack Reflection already covers non-physical harming

 

[Dvorak1902]

Couldn't Hatou probability-manip Cain into somehow incapping himself? Does it work like that?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Im pretty sure 1-A Attack Reflection already covers non-physical harming

See here.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Couldn't Hatou probability-manip Cain into somehow incapping himself? Does it work like that?

Only if that is a behaviour that is in principle something he might do.

She could probably manipulate all of humanity into building a sturdy prison or rocket around him or into flooding Cain's location with sleeping gas or something, though.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

How does she have type 1 and type 2 acausality simultaenously?

Also I guess after being harmed by her own initial attack she would incap him.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

How does she have type 1 and type 2 acausality simultaenously?

DontTalk already explained that above

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Maybe she's unaffected by those time paradoxes because she doesn't exist in the past to paradox?

 

[Sandman31]

Hatou isn't killing herself by attacking Cain, her Immortality and Resistance seem to be far far above her common attacks.

Incon.

Its not just attack reflection. You'll also get cursed by the Presence so it doesnt really matter if her immortality/durability is greater than her attacks.

If she can do something to keep Cain from fighting without harming him then she wins. Or she attacks Cain then get cursed by the Presence. Or inconclusive

 

[DontTalkDT]

Its not just attack reflection. You'll also get cursed by the Presence so it doesnt really matter if her immortality/durability is greater than her attacks.

If she can do something to keep Cain from fighting without harming him then she wins. Or she attacks Cain then get cursed by the Presence. Or inconclusive

Honestly, I still have my doubts about the entire disaster thing not being outside influence, as it sounds a lot like the Presence actively does stuff to make those things happen.

Though even if that curse could somehow kill her (normal weird accidents wouldn't harm her in any way), since that would only be the individual that harmed him the "parallel timeline" versions of her would remain unkilled, which is enough for her to not really be dead.

As said above, something simple like sleeping gas can probably win this for Hatou.

 

[Dvorak1902]

I change my vote to Hatou FRA.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Hatou FRA

 

[Phoenix821]

Hatou FRA.

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Hatou FRA

 

[DontTalkDT]

Hatou: 4

Cain: 0

If I count correctly.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Bump

 

[Eganergo]

Hatou FRA.

 

[RM97]

Hatou FRA

 

[Ionliosite]

Hatou FRA