Cable Tiering?

[Jinx666]

Omega Level Mutants are usually far beyond Star level lol

No, cause believe it or not, not ever story calls for a character to need to extinguish a star. Thats why statements are usually used, to not waste time showboating.

Idk i dont read the comics but if Cable was made to kill Apocalypse i can see it not being Apocalypse's weakest form.

Surfer is High 6-C at minimum according to here.

Or i dont want to read the comics??? Sorry?? Theres loads and i have more important things to do that i actually take interest in. I've just learned over the years that Marvel is a huge cesspool of inconsistency

3-C powerful yh. Heck hes only High 6-C on this site cause thats what tons of marvel characters are restricted to. Which I can deff disagree with most

Yeah, if you can go find them. They'll likely know what they're talking about. But i doubt you want to lol

I did. I explained exactly what extinguished meant. It just shows you were instantly willing to downplay the feat, even when it didnt provide justification for High 6-C.

 

[Confluctor]

Btw, this feat happens in a dream-ish sequence. So take it as you well.

Omega Level Mutants are usually far beyond Star level lol

No, they are not. Omega and alpha means nothing in terms of raw power.

Btw, can you list all 10 omega characters and why they are above star level? Preferably with feats.

No, cause believe it or not, not ever story calls for a character to need to extinguish a star. Thats why statements are usually used, to not waste time showboating.

You do know this happens in a very vague issue, almost a bit like a dream scenario where he meets this random Rachel, and where it's kinda unknown whether she actually meant everything she said or not.

Read the issue

Idk i dont read the comics but if Cable was made to kill Apocalypse i can see it not being Apocalypse's weakest form.

Bruh...

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Or i dont want to read the comics??? Sorry?? Theres loads and i have more important things to do that i actually take interest in. I've just learned over the years that Marvel is a huge cesspool of inconsistency

Then why are you arguing comic book scaling?

3-C powerful yh. Heck hes only High 6-C on this site cause thats what tons of marvel characters are restricted to. Which I can deff disagree with most

Then read the comics and revise it.

I did. I explained exactly what extinguished meant. It just shows you were instantly willing to downplay the feat, even when it didnt provide justification for High 6-C.

You do realise one of Nate's best ability is matter manipulation, right? And matter hax feats don't correlate to ap, especially for cable. Oh, and also, it can be an overtime feat. This is a throwaway statement and basing an entire tiering based off it... You have to see issues with that

 

[Jinx666]

Im not here to revise it, or read the issues.

Omega Level mutants on this wiki arent tiered in that way, but characters like Franklin Richards, Storm, Magneto, Iceman etc. I dont even know 10 Omega mutants lol

I know very well not to touch Marvel on the Vs Battle Wiki, I'm just leaving yall to it. And pointing out you have a Star level feat to justify a High 6-C feat.

Cable's Telekinesis was what could extinguish a star. Not his Matter manipulation. This was literally stated in the scan, and someone already literally got that wrong above.

No i dont know that its some dream state, and idk what thats meant to mean but i doubt writer would include this dialogue, especially from a comment from Rachel summers who is meant to be his alternate, if its not meant to be believed. Im guessing he's doing some telepathic stuff but i doubt this is just stuff Cables head has made up

Just fix the page, im not here to make a CRT, as if i could even participate in Marvel stuff for this wiki lol. Extinguishing Stars literally means Cable is putting out the power of a star with his Telekinesis.

 

[Confluctor]

Omega Level mutants on this wiki arent tiered in that way, but characters like Franklin Richards, Storm, Magneto, Iceman etc. I dont even know 10 Omega mutants lol

Mate, Franklin is not a mutant anymore, so that doesn't count.

Magneto is like 7
Storm is tier 6, with one specific attack which is tier 3 which came before she was omega
Jean is like high 6c with powers
Iceman is 6b

The only omega level mutant who is actually beyond tier 6 is Legion and apocalypse

Cable's Telekinesis was what could extinguish a star. Not his Matter manipulation. This was literally stated in the scan, and someone already literally got that wrong above.

His matter manipulation comes from TK...

No i dont know that its some dream state, and idk what thats meant to mean but i doubt writer would include this dialogue, especially from a comment from Rachel summers who is meant to be his alternate, if its not meant to be believed. Im guessing he's doing some telepathic stuff but i doubt this is just stuff Cables head has made up

You have no idea the type of shit writers include as statements sometimes. THey literally have a tier 1 character and pretends a tier 7 feat is supposed to be hard to achieve. This is common cross fiction, which is why feats > statements.

Just fix the page,

And why would I do that? Did I somehow give you the impression that I will be fixing this shitty page? This is a hobby, not a job which pays, and nobody tells me what to fix and what not to fix.

im not here to make a CRT, as if i could even participate in Marvel stuff for this wiki lol.

then cool just drop it here

Extinguishing Stars literally means Cable is putting out the power of a star with his Telekinesis.

Lol

 

[Jinx666]

On this wiki yeah.

Im certainly not a believer of it, they've all shown those sorts of feats before, but since thats the stuff this wiki wants to go for then w/e

All i was asking was to fix the justification for why Cable was High 6-C with a Star level feat.

 

[Confluctor]

On this wiki yeah.

Bro, did you even look at their pages??????????????????????????????

Im certainly not a believer of it, they've all shown those sorts of feats before, but since thats the stuff this wiki wants to go for then w/e

They havent

All i was asking was to fix the justification for why Cable was High 6-C with a Star level feat.

Sure, I will remove the star feats.

 

[Jinx666]

Yes, I did. Im aware this wiki quantifies them like that. I just dont agree with it from what ive been told and shown beforehand.

Lol if you say so.

 

[Confluctor]

Yes, I did. Im aware this wiki quantifies them like that. I just dont agree with it from what ive been told and shown beforehand.

They don't. Know why? Because we work on those files. That's not how we do it. "Someone told me", okay, sure

 

[Jinx666]

I know thats how you do it. Theyre under only your control on this wiki. Doesnt mean i have to agree with it.

And im guessing only you are right about everything Marvel. Ive spoken to other ppl who actually have read the comics that quantify all of this and think differently to you.

W/e, control the wiki how you want

 

[Confluctor]

Okay.... I can also cherrypick feats and wank everyone tier 1. It's not hard, trust me.


And if you don't agree with it... Okay, but you don't read comics, so how would you know what's right and wrong? I am genuinely confused.

 

[Jinx666]

Okay.... I can also cherrypick feats and wank everyone tier 1. It's not hard, trust me.


And if you don't agree with it... Okay, but you don't read comics, so how would you know what's right and wrong? I am genuinely confused.

I listen to other people who do. I dont just on this wiki to debate and get my scaling from here.

If anything, Vs battles wiki is probably one of the most infamous sources to get your info from, but i still like the concept of it. Im well aware of some of the feats these characters ranked High 6-C can do.

 

[Confluctor]

lol

 

[Jinx666]

lol

Wouldnt be so smug, one of your pages literally said High 6-C for a Star Level feat. You cant expect me to exactly only trust you and your scaling

 

[The_Impress]

...Jinx did you make the thread in contact with "other people"? Are you asking questions with the file as represented by "other people"? Said "other people" can easily get an account on the forum and change the stats in question or debate them.

You asked for a scan to be included claiming "oh literally everyone's like that", question cannot make sense unless it is with respect to the files on the wiki, said files aren't like that, you're just claiming shit, not backing it up by further proofing because "other unspecified people say this so it must be true", and acting that is ANY RELEVANT FORM OF DEBATE

 

[Jinx666]

No?
I literally just saw Cables page and saw the wonky justification. Was it not wonky? Do you reckon i needed to not understand that extinguishing stars wasnt just a high 6-C feat without someone else pointing it out for me?
By other people, its people on various vs battle discords and other debating platforms, that granted dont like you guys much, but are in no way involved in my stuff on here. They laugh whenever i try to link a Vs battle wiki page in fact, and ive even asked before if they'd ever actually go on to argue on this site but they dont want to. Such is debating communities but im definitely more convinced by them personally. Sorry
I know you're dying to assume something though.
If i was mouthpiecing, then i would probably know my comics better lmao, but now instead of not having the time, i blatantly just dont want to.

???
Pretty sure i just asked in questions and Answers why Cable was rated High 6-c if he was justified by a scan that told him to extinguish Stars. Then people are sitting there acting like i was trying to debate it?
I mean i still believe the scan, especially when you thought that extinguishing it didnt mean it was star level. Bit of an instantaneous argument that made no sense. But like, again, like ive stated so many times this isnt a CRT.

I didnt ask for any scan, then scan was literally on the page lol

 

[The_Impress]

No?
I literally just saw Cables page and saw the wonky justification. Was it not wonky? Do you reckon i needed to not understand that extinguishing stars wasnt just a high 6-C feat without someone else pointing it out for me?

It was wonky, I said remove it, why are you insisting on keeping it. If you just went by "oh its wonky" and made no further arguments thread just won't be this ******* long lmao

By other people, its people on various vs battle discords and other debating platforms, that granted dont like you guys much, but are in no way involved in my stuff on here.

Yeah, they're not here to argue it out with me, are they? So what they think is irrelevant. You haven't even gone as far as to paraphrase shit lmao.

They laugh whenever i try to link a Vs battle wiki page in fact, and ive even asked before if they'd ever actually go on to argue on this site but they dont want to. Such is debating communities but im definitely more convinced by them personally. Sorry
I know you're dying to assume something though.

...cope mald seethe?

???
Pretty sure i just asked in questions and Answers why Cable was rated High 6-c if he was justified by a scan that told him to extinguish Stars. Then people are sitting there acting like i was trying to debate it?

Omega Level Mutants are usually far beyond Star level lol

No, cause believe it or not, not ever story calls for a character to need to extinguish a star. Thats why statements are usually used, to not waste time showboating.

Idk i dont read the comics but if Cable was made to kill Apocalypse i can see it not being Apocalypse's weakest form.

Surfer is High 6-C at minimum according to here.

Or i dont want to read the comics??? Sorry?? Theres loads and i have more important things to do that i actually take interest in. I've just learned over the years that Marvel is a huge cesspool of inconsistency

3-C powerful yh. Heck hes only High 6-C on this site cause thats what tons of marvel characters are restricted to. Which I can deff disagree with most

Yeah, if you can go find them. They'll likely know what they're talking about. But i doubt you want to lol

I did. I explained exactly what extinguished meant. It just shows you were instantly willing to downplay the feat, even when it didnt provide justification for High 6-C.

I mean tons of justifications are used through statements. Its not the best yh, but theres still reason to believe those statements. I dont see why Cable is exempt when Marvels clearly not afraid to go to Star Level with what was originally omega level mutants.

How do you show 'writer intent' in the story other than through the dialogue and the story they're telling??? I really dont get your point here. If the writers included this stuff, then its for a reason, and theres nothing about Rachel lying or implied shes inaccurate about power

Yeah, exactly, Apocalypse higher than 6-C between 3-C apparently. That includes the 4-C Star level. Surfers whatever and idk how the fight went down, but Surfer is definitely beyond the realms of Star level. I dont see why that rules it out all of a sudden.

Very aware of the Heralds of Galactus acc, but nah i aint wasting my time reading all the comics. Onslaught is pretty powerful too

This wonk statement has always been pretty widely accepted, just not by you. You thought extinguishing a star meant to 'lower its temperature' might i add, so i dont think this statement had been accurately perceived in general.

I don't see many question marks in these statements, I see arguments trying to prove my response to your initial queries as wrong.

This is called debating.

I mean i still believe the scan, especially when you thought that extinguishing it didnt mean it was star level. Bit of an instantaneous argument that made no sense. But like, again, like ive stated so many times this isnt a CRT.

It doesn't matter if it's a CRT lol, you're still arguing it out like a CRT :V

I didnt ask for any scan, then scan was literally on the page lol

Yeah and again, I said scan bad, will probably yeet it, and you insist it's valid to be listed in the file as consistent to the character.

Like, I don't think this is me being cryptic, you asked a question, I answered said question, you presumably didn't like the answer, if you wanted this to continue as a query you would've made further queries, you didn't, you shifted to making claims to counteract my answer.

 

[Jinx666]

It was wonky, I said remove it, why are you insisting on keeping it. If you just went by "oh its wonky" and made no further arguments thread just won't be this ******* long lmao

Yeah, because i had people sitting there arguing with me that it meant Cable could 'lower the temperature of the sun' to eventually me asking why the scan wasnt accurate? Still seems fine to us, but a las as if id want to get into another Marvel argument. This wasnt a CRT

Yeah, they're not here to argue it out with me, are they? So what they think is irrelevant. You haven't even gone as far as to paraphrase shit lmao.

Paraphrase? Yeah, they don't want to. I dont blame them but they dont even know you im afraid, so i hope you dont take that as if these ppl you dont know are shaking in their boots. They just dont wanna.
Again, not many people in my circles at least really care enough abt this wiki or respect it to argue.

...cope mald seethe?

Professional.
Love how its cope mald seething just cause i disagree with you tho

I don't see many question marks in these statements, I see arguments trying to prove my response to your initial queries as wrong.

Quesiton Marks lmao. Try looking at the title of the thread.

You should know just as well as me debaters get caught in the heat of the moment. And actually i remember others going off on the tangent that Cable could possibly be High 6-C, not me. I was just following the thread i made, and 'debating' how I could.

This isnt me trying to make a change to the profile, especially when ive denounced Marvel and refused to look through every scrap of reference just to make a page over scanning. You can keep the job of tryna change every single marvel/Dc/Comic profile lol

It doesn't matter if it's a CRT lol, you're still arguing it out like a CRT :V

Its not a CRT. Its in the Questions and Answers and just cause i didnt agree with your instant faulty arguments doesnt make it one. Keep Marvel however you lot want it

Yeah and again, I said scan bad, will probably yeet it, and you insist it's valid to be listed in the file as consistent to the character.

The scan just doesnt fit the justification imo. I still dont see whats wrong with it when Cable has always been portrayed as this powerful
But oh wait thats CRT debating lol.
I couldnt argue why its consistent, i know other ppl that could though so im not exactly quick to dismiss it cause Vs Battle wiki moderator says so.

Like, I don't think this is me being cryptic, you asked a question, I answered said question, you presumably didn't like the answer, if you wanted this to continue as a query you would've made further queries, you didn't, you shifted to making claims to counteract my answer.

You aint the only person in the thread. You came in thinking extinguishing stars meant 'lowering their temperature' so forgive me for not instantly respecting your judgement, I wasnt the one asking originally about the possibility of Star level Cable either. Literally just asked a question. Quit assuming im trying to change anything here
Its all in your head. Idc, even less though than i did before making this thread, about scaling Marvel on the Vs Battle Wiki.

Literally keep Cable at whatever tier you want. But your justification was flawed. Maybe you should make his profile next on the list for the cleanup

 

[Jinx666]

Are we done here then? Wanna close the thread?

 

[Everywhereman]

A noob telepath

This Rachel wouldn’t be since this is a potential future where she’s older that she took cable to. Not arguing tiers just clarifying Rachel.

 

[Everywhereman]

Omega Level Mutants are usually far beyond Star level lol

Not necessarily for example Quentin Quire is an omega level telepath and Elixir Omega level biokinetic. Not every Omega level is star level..

 

[Jinx666]

Not necessarily for example Quentin Quire is an omega level telepath and Elixir Omega level biokinetic. Not every Omega level is star level..

Usually is the keyword
While the wiki doesnt portray it as such, characters like Storm, Jean Grey, Magneto and Iceman have all had showings of higher power than Star level. Very aware of the haxes some have despite their AP

 

[Everywhereman]

You used omegas generally, all I'm clarifying is that not all of them are star level or have star level feats. Some omegas have powers that aren't about how much damage they can cause. Even with the omegas you named they mostly scale to held back heralds.

 

[Jinx666]

You used omegas generally, all I'm clarifying is that not all of them are star level or have star level feats. Some omegas have powers that aren't about how much damage they can cause. Even with the omegas you named they mostly scale to held back heralds.

I said usually. Theres exceptions like that, and i already stated im aware of hax.
Well, heralds And interactions with the Phoenix Force
nonetheless this isnt a CRT.

 

[Sandman31]

The Cable page definitely needs some work. Lots of misconception regarding the Cable - Surfer Fight.

 

[Confluctor]

Then rework it.

 

[Sandman31]

Then rework it.

You dont have to tell me