Bypass Immunity vs Layering

[Voidnether]

I'll just keep this straightforward, so Yogiri has this explanation:

• Resistance/Immunity Negation: Yogiri's power is capable of completely bypassing immunity and resistance towards instant death abilities.[99][100] No matter how much defenses or resistances to instant death a person has, it is all meaningless in front of Yogiri.[101]

Now, it's stated that Instant Death is capable of completely bypassing immunity and resistance, right? But, if it's only capable of bypassing immunity as a hypothesis. Would it also be capable of bypassing layered resistance?
Simply put, on the page it's explained that Immunity is just the highest degree of resistance but I think nobody mentioned about it bypassing layered resistance too. I mean, this should be straightforward. That's it.

 

[SweetDao]

I'll just keep this straightforward, so Yogiri has this explanation:

This is just yapping tbf.

But, if it's only capable of bypassing immunity as a hypothesis

Iirc, he did kill someone who was stated to be immune to Instant Death

Would it also be capable of bypassing layered resistance?

I don't think so.

 

[Voidnether]

This is just yapping tbf.

All that yap tbh.

Iirc, he did kill someone who was stated to be immune to Instant Death

Also managed to bypass their resistance, but that's not the answer I was looking for that's why I gave a hypothesis.

I don't think so.

Interesting, but if it's the other way around it shouldn't have worked right? Like, for example someone using layered resistance to resist an ability that has the capability to bypass immunity themselves...

 

[SweetDao]

Interesting, but if it's the other way around it shouldn't have worked right? Like, for example someone using layered resistance to resist an ability that has the capability to bypass immunity themselves...

I think, it's moreso two different setup. One is resisting Instant Death via a skill, while the other is resisting Instant Death via an immunity.

I think that a character killing another character with an immunity shouldn't mean that said character could also kill someone with layered resistance unless proven otherwise within the verse.

 

[Voidnether]

I think that a character killing another character with an immunity shouldn't mean that said character could also kill someone with layered resistance unless proven otherwise within the verse.

If I get your point right, those two mechanisms are different right? So, a layered resistance could be considered as "Unconventional Resistance" with the same mechanism that basically allows them to not be killed by someone who killed a character with immunity themselves. Simply, by the layered resistance mechanism if there are no feats of the character killing someone with layered resistance?

Though I wouldn't call it "Unconventional Resistance" just because there are no feats of the character who can kill someone with an immunity and then they're never shown to be able to kill anyone with layered resistance in the first place. In which, it's just No Limits Fallacy at most.

 

[CodeCCLL]

bypassing immunity and resistance

Does the verse use the word "immunity" as a fancy alternative to the word "resistance" (it can be layered, it doesn't matter), or is the immunity in the verse based on lack of the thing one is immune to, as in the wiki?

 

[SweetDao]

If I get your point right, those two mechanisms are different right? So, a layered resistance could be considered as "Unconventional Resistance" with the same mechanism that basically allows them to not be killed by someone who killed a character with immunity themselves. Simply, by the layered resistance mechanism if there are no feats of the character killing someone with layered resistance?

Simply put.

If a character is immune to instant death, it means it's their existence as a whole that is immune to it. It's either they are immune or they aren't (or someone bypass said immunity). There is no in-between.
If a character has a specific skill to resist instant death, it means the skill can have multiple levels (level 1, level 2, level, 3,...) with instant death maybe also having multiple levels of efficiency.

In a void of context, those two mechanisms can and should be independent of each other, but if the author state that "being immune mean being above all the levels of resistance", for example, then you can safely assume the "immunity" here is also layered. Although, again, immunity is a vague word and ultimately is just a better resistance.

 

[Voidnether]

Does the verse use the word "immunity" as a fancy alternative to the word "resistance" (it can be layered, it doesn't matter), or is the immunity in the verse based on lack of the thing one is immune to, as in the wiki?

It's "lack of" I'm pretty sure, but considering Instant Death. That's why I did it as a hypothesis

 

[Voidnether]

Simply put.

If a character is immune to instant death, it means it's their existence as a whole that is immune to it. It's either they are immune or they aren't (or someone bypass said immunity). There is no in-between.
If a character has a specific skill to resist instant death, it means the skill can have multiple levels (level 1, level 2, level, 3,...) with instant death maybe also having multiple levels of efficiency.

In a void of context, those two mechanisms can and should be independent of each other, but if the author state that "being immune mean being above all the levels of resistance", for example, then you can safely assume the "immunity" here is also layered. Although, again, immunity is a vague word and ultimately is just a better resistance.

Yeah, that makes more sense to me. I never actually understand the mechanism behind this because it's just weird, to assume that a normal resistance is way better than immunity.

But with the author statements that you said earlier, I could see why they're independent of each other.

Now, here's the part that I don't get though: The wiki itself stated that immunity is outright the highest degree of resistance, basically. But immunity themselves is basically like invulnerability because well it just wouldn't work, or simply put it's because they don't have that aspect (NeP in general).

So, would you say that they're still independent from each other and it would require author statements if they do correlate to each other like if immunity is the highest degree of level 1, 2, 3 et cetera and then the author stated it themselves it would work to those below the "immunity". Would this be required technically?