Byleth fights a monster

[Spinoirr]

Speed is = and both are Small country level+

Orochi (One Punch Man)

Byleth Eisner:


"Here is something to believe in!"

 

[Planck69]

TK GG.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

What stop Tat from just ragdoll Byleth with Class T telekinesis?

 

[Spinoirr]

Well time to change to orochi I guess

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Tatsumaki insta-squishes via 1500metre range telekinesis

 

[Spinoirr]

She is 5.8 Teratons and orochi Orochi backscales from GS who Tatsumaki would have a hard time beating and Tatsumaki is 3.9 Teratons

 

[Planck69]

Don't know much about Byleth but at the very least, this is fair.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

>2 Green haired ppl

>Orochi

 

[Spinoirr]

Changed the name lol

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Spinoirr]

E

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Orochi overwhelms her with 20 of his dragon-heads performing Fist of Flowing Water, Crushed Rock, while shooting fire at her AND slicing her up with Whirlwind Cutting Fist.


does Byleth have any defence against this?

 

[Epiccheev]

Orochi didn't copy WCF only WSRSF

 

[00potato]

Avoiding it with pulse.

He can't really hit her if she knows what he is gonna do before the fight starts. She also has a decent skill advantage, helping her get hits in, and can heal from any hits that do get in.

That isn't even getting into her abilities.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah she also has the ap advantage here

 

[Schnee_One]

<Byleth more skilled then Orochi

Absolutely not even close.

Byleth is good, But Orochi is capable of analyzing fighting styles within an instant and copying them and prior to becoming a monster was considered one of the greatest martial artist in the world.

Out of all the advantages she has skill isn't one of them at all

 

[00potato]

Eh, if we turn this into a pure skill debate, it will turn messy since skill is complicated. Analysis is only one thing. I will just lay down some feats and continue.

Byleth in their first key if notably more skilled then Hubert who had fought off Groups of Soldiers in the past for three days. They are skilled in many fields such as tactics, magic, and swordplay and is able to teach that at a decently high level. They are also a very good strategic person on top of that, adding another advantage.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Orochi saw Garou use WCF right before he ultra-stomped him into the wall. He only needs to see techniques once to perform them. Therefore, he has WCF.

 

[Schnee_One]

Comparing Byleth to Hubert in skill is a false equivalence as they are entirely different fighters, but skill debates are pointless anyway really.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

I don't see how Byleth can take this. Orochi is not one opponent; he's a mobile base of moving flesh and destruction. Every single dragon head on his body is capable of martial arts, that can deflect attacks including deflecting lightning, heat, along with physical attacks and another martial art that allows him to slice air.


Not to mention he can blast her with heat-blasts that melt through stone and concrete for MILES /WHILE/ she's dealing with his unending number of heads.

 

[00potato]

Not really, Byleth taught Hubert most of what he knows about fighting. He would not have improved so significantly from the Hubert who fought off groups of Soldiers under her teachings if she wasn't at least more knowledgeable/skilled. She is undeniably more skilled then pre-game Hubert in the beginning of the game, this is end-game Byleth too, making the difference larger.

If any of the students were better then her, then she probably wouldn't have been chosen at all.


Yeah I can get the reluctance for a skill debate, we can just start with the actual debate after this post.

 

[Schnee_One]

Anyway, Byleth should take this overall.

Byleth is smart enough to range spam Orochi to oblivion if its necessary and she has multiple retries trying to fight Orochi.

On top of this, Byleth has slightly higher AP and Range will allow her to wear Orochi down after numerous attacks.

 

[Schnee_One]

@00Potato Last I checked Hubert is a mage, not a Swordsman like Byleth is, Huberts skill comes from his own training Comparing the two is the equivalent of comparing a Rifleman to a Swordsman

 

[Mr_Arsene]

So reading above, I think byleth got this.

 

[00potato]

I don't see how Byleth can take this. Orochi is not one opponent; he's a mobile base of moving flesh and destruction. Every single dragon head on his body is capable of martial arts, that can deflect attacks including deflecting lightning, heat, along with physical attacks and another martial art that allows him to slice air.


Not to mention he can blast her with heat-blasts that melt through stone and concrete for MILES /WHILE/ she's dealing with his unending number of heads.

She will already know how to avoid these due to Pulse and where to strike to avoid him.

Martial arts won't mean much when she can fight from range, with an AP advantage and skills that counter monsters like him (Literally called "Bane of Monsters.)

Even if he does land a few hits on her, she will heal anyway.

 

[00potato]

@00Potato Last I checked Hubert is a mage, not a Swordsman like Byleth is, Huberts skill comes from his own training Comparing the two is the equivalent of comparing a Rifleman to a Swordsman

Yeah, but that doesn't mean too much here, especially when Byleth can improve Huberts magic with her teachings and that he probably lacked some of the magic he had at the start of the game. (This happened a while before the game begins.) He only has one spell at the start of the game, he couldn't just rely on that for three days, if he even had that.

 

[Mr_Arsene]

So like I said, from what I read above, Seems like byleth got this.

 

[Epiccheev]

Anyway, Byleth should take this overall.
Byleth is smart enough to range spam Orochi to oblivion if its necessary and she has multiple retries trying to fight Orochi.

On top of this, Byleth has slightly higher AP and Range will allow her to wear Orochi down after numerous attacks.

Orochi has kilometers with energy blasts who dwarf himself in size and Byleth has hundreds of meters with magic, not seeing the range spam stuff.

Windsweep can technically stop him from deflecting stuff with WSRSF, but does it apply with magic as well?

But despite all that 13 tries is a lot, eventually byleth will know his entire moveset and weaknesses, on top of getting neat little perks like more damage when wounded and recovering hp with damage.

Will wait for more imput, but leaning towards Byleth right now.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

How can Byleth range spam when Orochi beats her in range?


also, will her range ACTUALLY work on him? What IS her range?? What's stopping him from deflecting all projectiles with Flowing Water Crushed Rock??


Can Byleth avoid his 8+ horns attacking her all at once, AS he blasts her with his heat blasts AND fighting her with 20+ dragon heads all using Flowing Water and Whirlwind Cutting Fist at the same time??

 

[00potato]

Yes, she has speed amps and will see it coming do to pulse. Even if he does hit her, she will heal

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Speed is equalised. Is speed amps allowed?


She can only pulse a few times, and what exactly can she do to him before she runs out of pulses??

 

[00potato]

Hit him with her abilities made to hurt monsters.

 

[00potato]

She already has an AP advantage, the anti monster tools will make this overkill.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

What are these abilities and attacks of her, and why can't Orochi simply deflect them with Flowing Water, which is a martial art he has?

 

[Silverfoxg101]

Windsweep can temporaly stop the attacks of Orochi, Bane of Monsters as it says grants 'Super Effective' Damage toward Orochi with her sword not mentioning the Sublime Heaven a skill that is also effective 'Super Effective' against monsters with extended range, also Byleth's Magic will be good at keeping Orochi at a Distance.

 

[00potato]

What are these abilities and attacks of her, and why can't Orochi simply deflect them with Flowing Water, which is a martial art he has?

He is gonna deflect a whip sword from someone with knowledge of how he will react to her swings? Not likely. If she windsweeps, he won't react and if she uses an anti monster move, his arm might as well be off if he tries to block or deflect due to the AP gap and the sharpness of the sword.

 

[Epiccheev]

also Byleth's Magic will be good at keeping Orochi at a Distance.

I don't get why y'all keep insisting that her magic is the best ranged option, Orochi has kilometers with energy beams and Byleth has hundreds of meters. If anything trying to keep him far away is a bad idea when she has windsweep with melee.

 

[AtomicSekiro]

The AP gap and the sharpness of the sword would be irrelevant due to his use of FLOWING WATER, CRUSHED ROCK.


This martial art can deflect bladed weaponry. Garou did it, several times. He was pierced and sliced up by a sword he could deflect rather easily; see, Garou vs Royal Ripper.


What good is her attacks when they will NEVER hit? Speed is equalised. What's stopping him from fighting her with 5 of his snakes on one hand, all on defence and redirecting all of her attacks, while his other arm of 5 snakes blasts her with stone-melting flames and punching her with his full-sized arm??

 

[00potato]

She has complete knowledge of how the fight will go and comparable skill, along with speed amps and abilities designed to prevent her opponents from reacting yet you claim her attacks won't hit? Are you joking?

 

[AtomicSekiro]

Speed is equalised, are her speed amps even allowed?


Her attacks MAY hit, but so what? Will it even kill him?? We don't even know what his weakness is, where his vitals are. How would Byleth know? Being blasted into smithereens by Saitama didn't kill him, he was simply reduced into a puddle of flesh, able to regenerate by ingesting blood.


I don't believe her attacks will be enough to get past his defences, and she won't survive him simply sweeping the entire arena with his kilometre-long heat blasts, and her Pulse ability will eventually run out, she can only use it 13 tries.


Her single body, with 13 tries, VS Orochi's 25+ Dragons, each one with Flowing Water and Whilwind Cutting Fist AND his horns which can form into more dragons, capable of plucking Saitama out of the sky and stopping his advance, PLUS his heat blasts, PLUS his regenerative properties PLUS his ability to avoid attacks (he dodged a punch from Saitama) AND he has his main body on top of that, with fists that dwarf Byleth in size.