Buu forms strenght

[Darkinx]

Why is Kid Buu listed as inferior to Super Bu? Kaioshin absorptions weaken Buu.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Less dangerous =/= weaker

 

[Antoniofer]

This is a common mistake, Kid Buu is just more dangerous and destructive than Super Buu, but Super Buu is still stronger, Goku could stand a chance against Kid, but he admited that he nor Vegeta weren't comparable to Super Buu.

 

[Darkinx]

Kaioshin absorptions weaken Buu, simply due to the fact that Dabura said textual words: "We can't use Kaioshin energy to awaken Buu"

Also, Fat Buu (who is a Buu with Kaioshin absorbed) is the weakest out of all Buus.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Didn't Kid buu absorved a kaioshin and turned into Ultra Buu which is stronger than kid Buu?

 

[Darkinx]

This is a common mistake, Kid Buu is just more dangerous and destructive than Super Buu, but Super Buu is still stronger, Goku could stand a chance against Kid, but he admited that he nor Vegeta weren't comparable to Super Buu.

Firstly, Goku said so because neither him nor Vegeta weren't able to KILL Buu. Goku's ssj3 would've drained his energy, since you don't kill Buu by being stronger than him, you have to vaporize him.

Secondly, when Butenks turns into Buccolo, Goku appeared relieved (And Buccolo was still stronger than Super Buu)

Lastly, Goku opted for the Genkidama rather than call Gohan on the Kaioshin planet. Why? Because Gohan wouldn't have been able to kill Kid Bu

 

[Dark649]

Kid Buu is one of the weakest buu because Super Buu lost Piccolo, Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Fat Buu. He was scared of losing his power and thinking he got stronger from that is a wrong assumption.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Without absorptions:

Super Buu > Kid Buu > Fat Buu.

 

[Darkinx]

Kid Buu is one of the weakest buu because Super Buu lost Piccolo, Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Fat Buu. He was scared of losing his power and thinking he got stronger from that is a wrong assumption.

The only one who assumpted Buu would've lost power without Fat Buu is Vegeta.

Buu specifically said: "I wouldnt be myself anymore" implying he would be insane and out of control, as he indeed became.

And we know FOR SURE that Fat Buu weaken Super Buu. Kaioshins weaken him. (Not only Dai Kaioshin, South Kaioshin too. The english manga translation is wrong)

 

[Dark649]

If we go with your logic Evil Buu did not needed to absorb Good Buu since one it's one of his most evil forms alongside Kid Buu, who became weaker because of Dai pure heart.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Isn't Fat Buu in the end of the Buu Saga weaker than he was at the beginning because he was separated into two?

 

[Dark649]

Yes, this is the current Buu Scaling:

Slim Buu (Overwhemed Base Goku, whose God Ki merged with himself and fought Beerus as SS and when disguised as Monaka in Base) > Buuhan (Super Buu + Mystic Gohan + Piccolo + Goten and Trunks) > Buutenks (Super Buu + Gotenks + Piccolo) > Buuccolo (Super Buu + Piccolo + Goten and Trunks) > Super Buu (Evil Buu + Good Buu) > Buff Buu (Kid Buu + South Kaioshin) > Kid Buu (Original) > Fat Buu (Kid Buu + South + Dai Kaioshin [Dai pure heart heavily weakened Kid Buu]) > Evil Buu (Buu most evil manifestation) > Good Buu (Buu purest manifestation)

 

[Antoniofer]

@Paulo, thats right, when Fat Buu separated he becomes weaker, don't think that below half of his previous power. Kid Buu's power isn't that different from the previous Majin Buu nor Evil Buu, he is just a little stronger, but far dangerous.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok, I guess.

 

[Golden_Void]

Does nobody think It's weird how Fat Buu produced Evil Buu who absorbed him, turning into Super Buu, yet by him losing Fat Buu, he reverts back to Kid Buu instead of Evil Buu? Isn't it also weird that even though they are technically the same person, Super Buu didn't have control over who Fat Buu absorbed, and thus couldn't release the supreme kais, which technically would've made Super Buu absorb Kid Buu?

 

[Dark649]

That mess is not even explained today and not even by Toriyama, which is strange by the way.

 

[Golden_Void]

So if it worked out logically

Super Buu would've reverted back to Evil Buu (who's still strong enough to stomp Fat Buu), and if he had control over Fat Buu (really himself), Super Buu could've made himself stronger by turning Fat Buu into Kid Buu, which would've made him pretty dangerous, BEFORE absorbing everybody else.

But AT must've fell asleep while writing this lol.

 

[Darkinx]

If we go with your logic Evil Buu did not needed to absorb Good Buu since one it's one of his most evil forms alongside Kid Buu, who became weaker because of Dai pure heart.

Evil Buu still had Kaioshin inside of him, otherwise he would've been Kid Buu. By splitting, he lost his power as well, so he absorbed Good Bu to re-obtain his power (who is much greater than the impairement provided by the 2 Kaioshins.)

Super Buu is different from Fat Buu because Evil Buu absorbed Good Bu (Dai Kaioshin absorbed), not Dai Kaioshin himself. So the influence of the Dai is less powerful.

Remember both Kaioshins weaken Buu.

 

[Dark649]

In the Anime filler Kid Buu after absorbing South Kaioshin did not gave the impression he got weaker since his body became massive and with less control, after absorbing Dai, however he got much weaker because of his heart being purer than all the others and became much easier to control. Upon splitting Good Buu retained Dai while Evil Buu South and after the fight Evil buu won.

 

[Darkinx]

In the Anime filler Kid Buu after absorbing South Kaioshin did not gave the impression he got weaker since his body became massive and with less control, after absorbing Dai, however he got much weaker because of his heart being purer than all the others and became much easier to control. Upon splitting Good Buu retained Dai while Evil Buu South and after the fight Evil buu won.

You're contraddicting yourself. If Kaioshin hadn't weakened Kid Buu, why would he weaken Evil Buu (Who is the weakest Buu after Good Bu)

Both Good and Evil Buu have Both kaioshins.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

How does his heart being purer make him weaker? I know it makes him easier to defeat, since he can be easily manipulated, but that's not what the word "weaker" means.

Or did the absorbtion somehow take power away from him? That wouldn't make much sense, but it's Dragon Ball, so, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Dark649]

I was referring in physical and mental state. If Kid Buu was weakened after absorbing Buu, that means that South is stronger than Dai?. That is not right.

 

[Darkinx]

How does his heart being purer make him weaker? I know it makes him easier to defeat, since he can be easily manipulated, but that's not what the word "weaker" means.
Or did the absorbtion somehow take power away from him? That wouldn't make much sense, but it's Dragon Ball, so, I wouldn't be surprised.

The original manga states that Kaioshins weaken Buu. It's a fact. (And this is proven even more by Dabura, who said that Kaioshin and Kibito energy wasn't suitable to awoken Buu.)

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Absorbing other people's powers made him weaker?... ... ... And I thought Toriyama's writing couldn't get any worst.

 

[Darkinx]

Absorbing other people's powers made him weaker?... ... ... And I thought Toriyama's writing couldn't get any worst.

I mean, Kaioshins are different from normal people (God Ki and stuff).

I think it's not so weird.

 

[Dark649]

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ok, I guess, Dragon Ball never made much sense to begin with.

 

[Antoniofer]

Absorbing the fat Kaioshin just made him just a little weaker, the greatest change was in his personality, making him more doscile. But thats is what the fans generally thinks, in these charts both aren't that different in power.

 

[Darkinx]

And this would prove my point...?

 

[Darkinx]

@Antoniofer I do not agree with that chart, for reasons I explained above. (Also, according to it, Fat Buu is weaker than Evil bu. What? How?)

 

[Dark649]

So, Kid Buu through that absorbing South and Dai would have make him stronger, but it ended up being weaker. This makes no sense.

 

[Darkinx]

So, Kid Buu through that absorbing South and Dai would have make him stronger, but it ended up being weaker.

As for South Kaioshin, we don't know why Buu absorbed him. But we know he absorbed Dai Kaioshin voluntarily to obtain an heart. (Stated by Shin during his flashback and by Super Buu when Vegeta was removing Good Bu: "No! Don't do it! I wouldn't be myself anymore!")

Kid Buu > Goku ssj3 >= Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Gotenks ssj3

 

[Antoniofer]

Welp, don't remember much about Buu Arc, but I remember Evil Buu stomping Buu, so I no see why Buu would be stronger.

@649 (cuz more of one Dark here), I think it was only by the fat Kaioshin that he becomes weaker and doscile, not sure why he lost the powers of the another one, Buu should win the powers of the strongest one absorbed...

 

[Dark649]

Kid Buu > Goku ssj3 >= Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Gotenks ssj3

This scaling is so much wrong, why would Goku ssj3 being stronger than Gotenks ssj3.

 

[Darkinx]

FAT Buu split in Good and Evil Buu. Evil Buu stomped Good Bu, not Fat Bu.

 

[Darkinx]

Kid Buu > Goku ssj3 >= Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Gotenks ssj3

This scaling is so much wrong, why would Goku ssj3 being stronger than Gotenks ssj3.

Because he went on par with Kid Buu while Gotenks is not even Super Buu level. And Kid Buu > Super Buu. I just explained it.

 

[Antoniofer]

Yeah, that scaling is out of way... Also, Evil Buu is barely above Majin Buu, I'm guessing cuz the first one isn't as doscile, but I don't remember that arc that much, if it were stated to be half strength as he used to be it would have been placed below.

 

[Darkinx]

Yeah, that scaling is out of way... Also, Evil Buu is barely above Majin Buu, I'm guessing cuz the first one isn't as doscile, but I don't remember that arc that much, if it were stated to be half strength as he used to be it would have been placed below.

It's logic.

If a being splits in two, the two beings are weaker than the original one. (And both Evil and Fat Buu have Kaioshin weakening them)

 

[Antoniofer]

@Dankinx, Gotenks is stronger than Super Buu, you can see the fight and the first one was clearly winning.

 

[Dark649]

Goku said that he was counting on the fusion because he would have made Goten and Trunks much stronger than before and obliviously even himself.