Buu forms strenght

[Promestein]

"Because he went on par with Kid Buu while Gotenks is not even Super Buu level. And Kid Buu > Super Buu. I just explained it."

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SSJ Gotenks >= Good Buu

SSJ Goku <<<<<<<<<<<<< Good Buu

SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku

SSJ3 Gotenks has the raw power advantage over Super Buu.

 

[Dark649]

After a proper rewatch i realized that Antoniofer statements are right and Darkinx points are wrong. Dabura and Babidy were referring that Kai energy is not required to wake Majin Buu and not that it should have weaken him.

 

[Darkinx]

@Promestein and Antoniofer http://tmp.mangaeden.com/it/en-manga/dragon-ball/500/12/

"What a dirty trick"

"It's your fault! You were stronger than me and I had to be the strongest" implying ssj3 gotenks WAS NOT stronger than Super Buu. Or Super Buu would've absorbed Gotenks before.


@Dark649 Goku NEVER said Gotenks would've been stronger than him. He only said they would have been able to defeat Fat Buu. (And Goku himself will later reveal that he himself could've beaten Fat Buu.)

 

[Darkinx]

After a proper rewatch i realized that Antoniofer statements are right and Darkinx points are wrong. Dabura and Babidy were referring that Kai energy is not required to wake Majin Buu and not that it should have weaken him.

What? Dabura literally says "We can't use" not "We don't require", come on dude..

 

[Dark649]

Buutenks was referring that Mystic Buu surpassed him and he could not stand it, this thread is getting ridiculous i will ask someone to close it.

 

[Darkinx]

I don't even know what you're talking about. Buutenks absorbed Gotenks because he could not stand someone being stronger than him existed. The only reason. If Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu, Buu would've been angry all the time trying to absorb Gotenks.

There's no reason to close this thread, I'm proving facts with logical reasoning.

 

[Antoniofer]

Wait, I'm confused now, that is the scene after absorbing Gotenks, what have that to do with Kid Buu or Fat Buu? In that scene you can tell that Butenks > M. Gohan > Super Buu, and like Gohan say, Buu cheated, he wasn't stronger than Gotenks, he needed to absorbing to match Gohan.

 

[Darkinx]

@Antoniofer Promestein asked why, in my opinion, ssj3 Goku is stronger than ssj3 Gotenks.

And he literally says he can't stand that someone is stronger than him. Hence he absorbs Gotenks. He never tried to absorb Gotenks before Mystic Gohan appeared, meaning he could've beaten him without absorbing him.

 

[Darkinx]

If you take a look at the manga scan I linked, Super Buu says: "I made this plan when I felt you in far-off space.. I felt the possibility of someone stronger than me.


This is the ULTIMATE proof that Super Bu > ssj3 Gotenks. He recognizes Mystic Gohan as the only one stronger than him.

 

[Antoniofer]

He was surpassed in number, in one-to-one combat, Super Buu would have defeated Gotenks SS3 eventually, Gotenks has a limit time without infinite stamina, but Gohan is considerable stronger than Gotenks and he hasn't time limit, Super Buu wouldn't stand a change against Gohan, ence he needed to absorbe Gotenks to stand a change.

Also, people is stanting to confuse: Buutenks never absorbed Gotenks (cuz already happened), and Mystic Buu doesn't exist, at least 649 is refering to Buuhan.

 

[Darkinx]

Never said Mystic Buu existed lol

If Super Buu felt like Mystic Gohan was the only one stronger than him so be it.

It doesn't matter that Buu would have eventually won due Gotenks running out of time.

 

[Antoniofer]

Buu could have said whatever about being stronger than Gotenks, but the really is that he was beaten up by Gotenks, the difference between these two couldn't have been that high, but Gotenks clearly had the strength advantage.

 

[Darkinx]

Maybe Gotenks had the strenght advantage but we're talking about overall power here. Nothing Gotenks was capable of would have defeated Super Buu.

And I suggest to return in topic, where I demonstrated Kid Buu > Super Buu. Anything that contradicts my statements?

 

[Golden_Void]

if you think super Buu is weaker than Kid Buu, please share those drugs with everyone.

 

[Antvasima]

As Dark649 mentioned, we should probably close this thread.

 

[Darkinx]

As Dark649 mentioned, we should probably close this thread.

Any reasons to do that? I'd be glad if you proved my facts wrong first.

 

[Dust_Collector]

It's pretty simple, Goku felt confident enough to fight Kid Buu one on one and evem said that if he had enough time to reach full power he could probably kill him. Compare that to the sheer amount of fear that he felt about facing Super Buu, telling Vegeta thatthey'll die if they try to fight him without fusing.

Super Buu>>Goku>Kid Buu

I could easily give more evidence for Super Buu being far stronger than Kid Buu, but Gokus reaction to Super Buu is more than enough

 

[Darkinx]

This is a common mistake, Kid Buu is just more dangerous and destructive than Super Buu, but Super Buu is still stronger, Goku could stand a chance against Kid, but he admited that he nor Vegeta weren't comparable to Super Buu.

Firstly, Goku said so because neither him nor Vegeta weren't able to KILL Buu. Goku's ssj3 would've drained his energy, since you don't kill Buu by being stronger than him, you have to vaporize him.
Secondly, when Butenks turns into Buccolo, Goku appeared relieved (And Buccolo was still stronger than Super Buu)

Lastly, Goku opted for the Genkidama rather than call Gohan on the Kaioshin planet. Why? Because Gohan wouldn't have been able to kill Kid Bu

What about this? And what about the fact that kaioshins weaken Buu

 

[Antvasima]

@Darkinx Well, this discussion seems to go in circles and not really lead anywhere important in proportion to the time spent.

 

[Golden_Void]

With that kaioshin logic, Evil Buu would've been weaker after absorbing Fat Buu, then transforming into Super Buu, which clearly isn't the case. And this has been debunked multiple times already so ...

 

[Darkinx]

Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu because Good Buu was the missing 40% of his power. It's not like Evil Buu absorbed a Kaioshin directly.

Anyway, lock this thread if you really want to. I tried explaining but I'm wrong to you, apparently. Fine.

 

[Golden_Void]

With that logic, had Fat Buu lost his kaioshin, Fat Buu would've never existed, there would only be Kid Buu, and Goku would stomp.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't particularly have an opinion about this actually.

 

[Darkinx]

With that logic, had Fat Buu lost his kaioshin, Fat Buu would've never existed, there would only be Kid Buu, and Goku would stomp.

I think I don't understand what you're trying to say

 

[Golden_Void]

You're saying Buu losing 40% of his power equates to the Supreme Kai he's absorbed?

 

[SuperDragoon978]

Goku refused to fight Super Buu by himself but was ok fighting with Kid Buu. Here is a good video explaing why Super Buu>Kid Buu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FepAaKAfnXs

Even if you disagree with it, Super buu would include buutenks and Buuhan who are absolutely stronger than Kid Buu.

 

[Darkinx]

You're saying Buu losing 40% of his power equates to the Supreme Kai he's absorbed?

No, not really.

I'm saying that Fat Buu is a weaker version than Kid Buu due to Kaioshin absorptions.

Then, Fat Buu splits. and BOTH Good Bu and Evil Bu have Kaioshin influence (Because both have cloaks and Evil Buu doesn't kill Satan, implying he's not PURE EVIL unlike Kid Buu after expelling Good Buu.

Good Bu = It's a majin with a major Kaioshin influence.

Evil Bu = It's a majin with a major evil influence, that's why he's stronger than Good Bu.

When Evil Buu absorbed Good Bu, he turned into Super Buu and not Fat Buu because Evil Buu didn't absorb a Kaioshin directly, but his missing power (who had Kaioshin inside of him).

That's why Super Buu is stronger than Fat Buu: Because the Kaioshin influence is minor. And that's why Super Buu is weaker than Kid Buu. Because Kaioshins weaken Buu no matter what

 

[Golden_Void]

Well at the end of the day, Ultimate Gohan was stomping all over Super Buu, when a post ROSAT SS3 Gotenks couldn't damage him at ALL, Goku was scared to fight him, yet Goku could fight Kid Buu while not at 100%.

 

[SuperDragoon978]

On Kaioshin influence, I should note the aborbing the Southern Supreme Kai visibly made Kid Buu stronger. Goku also noted that the Buff Buu was stronger than Super Buu. he was scared by that Buu but was rejoicing when he became Kid Buu and claimed they could beat him.

 

[Darkinx]

Well at the end of the day, Ultimate Gohan was stomping all over Super Buu, when a post ROSAT SS3 Gotenks couldn't damage him at ALL, Goku was scared to fight him, yet Goku could fight Kid Buu while not at 100%.

Then why didn't Vegeta agree with Goku on bringing Gohan back but opted for the Genkidama instead? What's more, Goku, when revived, was ready to face Butenks (Butenks!!) in a 2v1 with Gohan before Old Kai gave him the potara. And when Super Buu gets into himself, Goku gets ready to fight and says they need to defeat him to get out of his body.

I don't really think Goku's words can be taken literally here, with all the lies he said durin the arc

@SuperDragoon Vegeta was initially relieved but he will later admit he was wrong on underestimatig Kid Buu

 

[SuperDragoon978]

Well at the end of the day, Ultimate Gohan was stomping all over Super Buu, when a post ROSAT SS3 Gotenks couldn't damage him at ALL, Goku was scared to fight him, yet Goku could fight Kid Buu while not at 100%.

Then why didn't Vegeta agree with Goku on bringing Gohan back but opted for the Genkidama instead? What's more, Goku, when revived, was ready to face Butenks (Butenks!!) in a 2v1 with Gohan before Old Kai gave him the potara. And when Super Buu gets into himself, Goku gets ready to fight and says they need to defeat him to get out of his body.
I don't really think Goku's words can be taken literally here, with all the lies he said durin the arc

@SuperDragoon Vegeta was initially relieved but he will later admit he was wrong on underestimatig Kid Buu

Vegeta admitted he underestimated him but Goku never took back what he said about Kid Buu. He could still hold is own and they were casual enough fighting him to play rock paper scissors to decide who fights. In context they underestimated Kid Buu's tenacity and Regenerationn, as well as SSJ3's time limit. Not power.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Kid Buu = Original Buu

Then he absorbed South Kai and got stronger. Then he absorbed Grand Kai but his pure heart made Buu grow weaker.

Then Fat Buu had his evil split of from him, and was absorbed by Evil Buh. Through this, Buu no longer has the Grand Kai's good limiting him and was able to make full use of his power.