Burns Upgrade

[Buttersamuri]

Ok. It is fun and all to think of Burns as stupidly weak. Which he is Attack wise. But he has taken punchings from homer, beatings from Abe (who scales to homer), Hits from Bart, and a room of gold falling on him and much more and survived. Really. He should get an upgrade to Varies from below average to Building+. The "oh he could die by a gust of wind" is very much an over exaggerated statement that is clearly meant to be a joke. Mr Burns has survived far worse far more consistently. A Varies scales is what he should get. From the times he has survived attacks from the cast of the Simpsons and even has injured them before (albeit slightly. But injure none the less.). He is meant to be comically weak. But also not. So a varied status should be what he gets

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

i think it should be varies from wall to below average kinda like spongebob because their power really depends on their toon force

 

[Buttersamuri]

It doesn't exactly vary tho. He can be rag dolled by things like photos. But the amount of wall stuff he can tank should justify wall level durability alone. Like with Moleman.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

burns has taken single hits from homer and was knocked out by it here sure if you or i would have gotten hit we would die and burns has gotten very injured from it and was knocked out and in the episode and burns was just pinned to the ground in Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in 'The Curse of the Flying Hellfish he can't really scale to the other cast because they all stomp him

 

[Buttersamuri]

Yes. But he still survived. Wall level durablility is where he should place. Not in AP of course. But the Durability yes.

Abe Simpson has shown scaling to Homer (tho being weaker) and one episode, he started to beat the crud out of Mr Burns in a wrestling match. And Mr Burns stood conscious throughout the whole thing. And it's far more recent.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

this can be considerd outlier because of the lack of wall level feats burns has

 

[Buttersamuri]

Lack of feats?

Not really no. He tanks hits from quite a few of the verse. And nothing really makes it an outlier. The ant feat just made him physically weak. As does the photon. But nothing to say it's an outlier durability wise

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

burns has been shown to be extreamly weak durabilty wise stuff like his arm being easily peirced by a needle when he got his check up and when he got hosbitalized by being shot by a gun and even though walked a decent distance he still was heavily injured by a gun and was able to be taken down by a dollar bill burns being weak jokes are popular on the simpsons i can name a bunch of time that burns was weak in a durability sense now burns at best can be human level being able to do human things like in homer the smithers but that's as far as that can be streched

 

[Buttersamuri]

No he hasn't really. He has shown to be Weak strength wise. But he everything that's ever hit him never killed him. The only thing that makes him quote on quote "weak durability wise" was the statement by a doctor that was clearly over exaggerated.

Being pierced by a needle is very bad example because that's just pierce damage

Being shot by a gun is another Pierce damage

And the dollar was over exaggerated.

To be immune to pierce damage from something like a gun requires City block to higher durability. That's why when homer gets shot, it still pierces him.

But the amount of damage he takes from characters

Homer Punching him in anger

Abe beating the Crud out of him

Him getting set on fire before falling off a building and getting stepped on by Smithers multiple times

Ect. Too consistent to ignore. Especially since the feats are also pretty well expanded and are still happening even in more recent episodes.

Heck. There are times Burns has minorly bothered homer with hitting him with a cone. (Tho I do think AP shouldn't be wall)

 

[Modernmyrmidon]

Sure, benefit of the doubt, let's upgrade him.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

i still don't believe that homer knocking burns out doesn't mean he can scale to him if your a skinny guy and some buff guy hits you an knocks you out it doesn't mean you are comparable to him. and he can't scale to smithers because there are many times he's said he would beat up smithers but can't and tried once and failed and i'll get to that abe feat i haven't watched that episode yet

 

[Buttersamuri]

i still don't believe that homer knocking burns out doesn't mean he can scale to him if your a skinny guy and some buff guy hits you an knocks you out it doesn't mean you are comparable to him. and he can't scale to smithers because there are many times he's said he would beat up smithers but can't and tried once and failed and i'll get to that abe feat i haven't watched that episode yet

It most certainly does since he survives it. Even if to knocked him out. If it hospitalized him: that would be different. But it gave him a black eye at worse. Which means he should scale to some degree in durability.

And I'll have to find the exact episode. I'll update you. I know where to watch it

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

so i saw mr burns getting beat up by grandpa i would like to note that when he body slammed burns you can hear cracking sounds implying that his bones are breaking

 

[Buttersamuri]

so i saw mr burns getting beat up by grandpa i would like to note that when he body slammed burns you can hear cracking sounds implying that his bones are breaking

Can't assume that without full evidence. Parts of the body can make such noises without breaking. Like popping ones knuckles or neck. Less it show his bones being broken.

But after a lot of thought. I have changed my opinion on how Burns should be. Here's what I say

Attack Potecy Varies from Below average Human to Wall (often shown to be comedically weak, however, other times is able to minorly harm people like homer

Speed is the same. He never scales there

Lifting strength: Varies from Below average Human to Average Human (Shown to be overpowered by insects and the wind at times, but at other times can carry things like a bowling bowl with minor effort)

Durability: Varies from Below average Human to Wall (Shows to be injured by too many light photons, but at other times has taken hits from several of he cast including Homer Simon and Abe Simpson)


Make him completely vary since he is only consistently always below average human speed. Everything else changes depending on the comedy of the situation. To jokingly show how weak he is. To him just doing normal things.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

i like the variation because of toonforce i feel like this is the correct way of a burns profile also burns should have the same stamina

 

[Buttersamuri]

Stamina is weird. But it's mostly low. I don't think it's ever been higher than low. So that works

 

[Buttersamuri]

Actually. Varies from low to High. Cause he can run a company. And even stood up for several days in a row at one point when scarred (I forgot from what)

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

so i wonder if burns surviving a lawn mower explosion would be an outlier in dark knight court

 

[Buttersamuri]

Ehh. Nah. It is his vary scaling. Since wall isn't inconsistent with his damage and durability when using a vary status

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

burns debates are weird man due to the nature of his toonforce

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

bump

 

[Buttersamuri]

Gonnal Bump

 

[Buttersamuri]

Bump

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

can we just get rid of the statement/implication of burn's being murderd by a slight breeze it's been shown to not be true at all burns has survived alot worse even at his weakest

 

[GoCommitDi]

i agree with OP, if herbert the pervert can have a variable key i think mr burns should as well

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

so burns was hit by homer and took many hits from grandpa two building level plus characters burns would have died

 

[Buttersamuri]

And Smithers, and Bart, and several more.

So varies key. I guess I'll as a Discussion Mod about giving this the ok since everyone seems cool with it

 

[GyroNutz]

I'm not a discussion mod, but this seems fine

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that a "varies" durability statistic seems to make sense.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Alrighty. Cool.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Alright. It's updated, nothing else to discuss. So this can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Wait a moment. Did you remove the matchup results from him and his opponents' profile pages?

 

[Buttersamuri]

No. Because those match ups are his Below average tier. Which since he varies. It shouldn't change those as it doesn't change anything about those matches. Those matches just considered his Below average form. That's why I didn't remove them

Do you want me to?

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. As long as it mentions that they concern his Below Average durability, it may be fine to keep them.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Alright. I'll make note of that on the fights.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Ugarik]

So Burns got his 8-C AP from throwing a book at Homer and he said "Ouch" and durability from getting stomped?

While a can agree with durability at some point, AP is just stupid

 

[Ugarik]

i agree with OP, if herbert the pervert can have a variable key i think mr burns should as well

Unless Herbert got his 9-A from creating a huge pit then he fought a giant tree and he is often portrait as immensely strong