Burns Upgrade

[Buttersamuri]

So Burns got his 8-C AP from throwing a book at Homer and he said "Ouch" and durability from getting stomped?

While a can agree with durability at some point, AP is just stupid

He got the AP cause there has been several instances where he has caused damage to others (mostly homer). Maybe not heavy damage. But coming from homer a lot of the time, has acknowledged feeling pain when burns smacked him with something. Which is why he is such a vary tier. If Herbert is able to have A vary tier from 1 feat, Then Burns most definitely should be aloud it considering he has done it several times.

 

[Ugarik]

I don't recall him causing significant damage to anyone. Do you have a link when did this happen?

 

[Buttersamuri]

I don't recall him causing significant damage to anyone. Do you have a link when did this happen?

I know there was here at 1:50 and continuing from there. He continues to cause Homer pain by minor pain by hitting him with a cone, hitting him with a book, and other such things. For other instances, I'll have to see what's on YouTube.

 

[Ugarik]

I don't understand how can anyone consider this as a legit building level feat. This make as much scence as 4-C Krillin for hurting SSJ Goku with a rock and getting stomped by andnroids without dying. I don't think those kind of feats would be considered valid anywhere outside joke-battles wikia.

 

[Antvasima]

Ugarik makes sense.

 

[Buttersamuri]

I don't understand how can anyone consider this as a legit building level feat. This make as much scence as 4-C Krillin for hurting SSJ Goku with a rock and getting stomped by andnroids without dying. I don't think those kind of feats would be considered valid anywhere outside joke-battles wikia.

Because the process of damaging a building level would be building level. Burns did on multiple instances here cause minor damage to homer. Heck, thats how a good chunk of the verse even scales. Is Via damaging each other. Just because Mr. Burns is the weaker of them, doesn't mean he should be automatically invalid to scale if he can cause damage. Yes, he definitely belongs in a vary key cause the guy does very. He gets overpowered by an ant, yet can still common objects like a gun and use them. This is a running joke which qualifies him to vary. But we still should consider both ends. The "he is extremely weak joke" is often made to be extremely over the top, unrealistic, and pretty gaggish. So for his Gaggish moments we put him below average, but there's no denying that there are times that he shows a small degree of scaling. He is the Glass Joe of this verse essentially. He gets beaten by everyone pretty dang easily. But should still scale to a lower degree.

 

[Ugarik]

I don't think causing minor damage should treated as an actual feat we can rely on. How is that any different from Krillin's "feat"?

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that being a minor inconvenience should not scale to the full tiers of much stronger characters.

 

[Buttersamuri]

He didn't get full scaling. He was lowered to building level. As the rest were in the Building+ area. But realistically. Someone who is causing any general harm to a building tier should be in their general area. But no means could a wall level make even a scratch on a building tier. Burns is causing enough damage homer acknowledges pain, and is even moved back by it like with the book or gives flintches in pain.

The difference between Krillins feat is it happened once, and typically is never in Gokus tier. Plus krillin isn't a special case like Mr. Burns who can vary his strengh level due to his toon force/Weak Gagy Nature. Mr. burns at least causes damage in multiple instances. And his weak ends over exaggerated as a joke. Like Spongebob to say. Burns is either Below average human with his extremely gag and joky nature of being weak, or an older man compared to the others, but still has shown capability to cause damage to others. Another good instance to back up this is him being able to handle their guns recoil. Which has Pierced the cast before.

But. Here's actually another example of burns doing something that puts him closer to theirs tier. go to 4:39. Burns kicks bart hard enough to send him flying into the safe. If needed, I'll try and find more instances on YouTube. But burns has done stuff like this over the years of the Simpsons.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we can chalk it up as gag comedy "feats", not meant to be taken seriously. In addition, the writers of the show likely think that most of the characters are 9-C to 9-B.

 

[Ugarik]

I'm genuinely curious if any other verse would consider getting crubstomped without dying or causing minor pain outside combat as legit feats

 

[Antvasima]

Good point.

 

[Imaginym]

I mean, isn't durability what a character can survive without dying?

However, if such damage renders them incapacitated, that is probably notable, no? But how do we approach that?

 

[GyroNutz]

Damage incapacitating a character can be a copout for not giving the character a permenant death. May just be PIS

 

[Ugarik]

8-C with pistol makes sence

 

[GoCommitDi]

Agreed, especially since guns in the verse are 8-C as they can pierce through homer

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine then.

 

[Buttersamuri]

I want to bring this thing up about burns. Why do we honestly use the weakest of his feats on his page? We really shouldn't. There are the few joke scenes. Being

The doctor saying wind could kill him, An any overpowering him, and light photons overpowering him, and not being able to lift up wet sponge. Or having trouble with a dollar overpowering him.!A total of 5 or so gag feats (there may be another one or few I'm missing. But you'll see my point) that made fun of his weak strength. Which is contradicted by 90 percent of any other scene we see him in in the extremely long running show.

Overpowered by light, despite the fact that means he literally couldn't go outside, or handled lightbulbs. Which he handled perfectly fine. And handles far worse.

Killed by a slight breeze despite the fact he has taken consistent beatings from the cast, even a normal fall provides more damage than a slight breeze. Which Burns has taken. Even surviving getting set on fire. He also took a decent fall and survived.

Overpowered by an ant and can't fully lift a wet sponge. When he is canonically always carrying a gun with him. And the normal stuff he carries would be vastly superior to an ant or wet sponge. His clothes alone contradicts the ant. He has lifted up bats, helmets, a Bowling ball, took candy from a kids hands, lifted a microphone and megaphone. And many many many more things. It's uncountable how much that feat is contradicted. Plus. That ant (and I can't believe I'm saying this) is honestly just a lot stronger. Not that Burns is haha that much weaker. Even if Burns put no force into crushing the ant. A normal ant could not pick up even an old frail mans foot and push him over. That Ant is honestly just stronger. It sounds ridiculous. But that's honestly a realistic loon on that feat. There's no way a normal ant could move even Mr. Burns. His sheer weight in clothes is too much for one. Not even considering his body. Or gun.

His haha weak joke seems extremely rare to even really consider. It's not even a consistent enough gag to be a vary. As normal feats contradict it daily. Some of the feats don't work. An ant overpowering him is a total joke, as I brought up as even a IRL ant couldn't support Burns weight. So that ants just strong. How they treat Mr. Burns is he clearly is weaker than the casts. But also take in mind. The Cast is Class 5 in strength. Of course they are leagues stronger. Burns is like a slightly below average to regular average human. he isn't by any means so weak that light can overpower him and bugs can defeat him. He is just an old man. But can do common tasks, and can display typical human strength feats. With the acceptation of like 5 or so haha make fun of how weak he is Jokes. So really think we just shouldn't consider these feats. Take them off his page, and just put under notes that those kinds of feats are widely inconsistent and simply don't make sense or don't work. His normal strength is leagues of leagues beyond it. He tends to vary from Below Average human (but not by much. He is still put out to be stronger than children by some amount, and frankly can still handle things like the recoil of a gun). To average human with his better feats. I think he should get this

Attack potency: Below Average Human (Is depicted as a very old and weak person, however he still has the strength to do lift and move a bowling ball, handle the recoil on a pistol and rifles

Speed is fine

Lifting strength Average Human (While depicted as weak, he is capable of lifting baseball bats, lifting and tossing a bowling ball, always carrying around his gun, lifting a rifle, as well handling the recoil of several guns)

Durability Varies from Street level, to Building level+ (He is depicted more times to be tougher than a child, he has been set on fire and survived, had a bunch of gold land on him and survived, and took a several foot drop, he at his best has been shown to take beatings from the cast such as Homer Simpso, Abe Simpso, and Bart Simpso, and has been stomped on by Smithers)

As well. Even if the higher end stuff for durability isn't used. Most of his matches should be looked at again. And some removed. Because he is put up against Houseflies and Bees. Despite his 10-C is leagues above a fly or bee. He would swat them away like any person. So it's really a stomp.

 

[CuteAnimeNekoGirl99]

eh i don't agree with street level theres alot of times he's been beat up by simple things they may be jokes but the simpsons is pretty much made of joke feats

 

[Buttersamuri]

He still survives them. Batman has survived dozen and dozens of wall level stuff. Still small building level.

The better of his feats durability wise is street level when not looking at the building stuff he gets from the cast. Being set of fire. Taking long falls.

Their highly inconsistent jokes which should be ignored. Due to this stuff being far more consistent. Just cause their a comedic show. Doesn't mean we take the most inconsistent stuff from them without considering outliers. Else we would have a City level homer and Simpsons cast