broly child key and some fixing

[Sus]

A. child keys and oozaru form

• toei: broly is born with a power level of 10,000, he then gets a zenkai, awakens his power, and grows over the years, he also has his tail both as a kid and an adult, so he gets an oozaru amp, he also survives the destruction of planet vegeta but idk how to calculate it or if it gives a value at all
• canon: child broly's power varies, but lowest recorded is 920 (stronger than raditz saga goku), maximum is not explicitly stated but is at least 10,000 (stronger than base vegeta saga goku) because it cannot be detected by the 4 digits scouters, is also stated as superior to child vegeta and his father, king vegeta, also can transform into an oozaru (kid only)

B. base broly downscaling from his higher forms

• toei: while never shown to fight in base form, we see him rampage in flashbacks and him "being weak" is just them hiding his power, he should downscale from his super saiyan form
• canon: this one is a bit tricky but base broly should be 1/10th of his ikari, as it's explicitly stated to be his oozaru power drawn in his humanoid form, so he should be 6 universes in base, im not sure if he can actually downscale due to how tier 2 works, but i'll try

C. merging keys

not much of a proposal but as of now each broly form has its own key, which is unnecessary, just put em together

his keys should look like this:
canon:

varies from at least Small Planet level up to Planet level (his power level varies from 920 to 10,000 making him more powerful than goku in the raditz and vegeta fights respectively), up to Large Planet level with Oozaru (is 10x more powerful) | Low Multiverse level, higher with ikari and super saiyan ([justification doesn't change except for base broly now scaling to 6 universes])

toei:

at least Small Star level+ (his power rivaled king vegeta as an infant, growing in power even more after a zenkai), at least Large Star level with Oozaru (is 10x more powerful) | High Universe level, higher with Oozaru and super saiyan, far higher as the legendary super saiyan ([same stuff with base broly downscaling])

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Child Broly doesn't really do anything iirc, is a key really needed?

 

[Sus]

Child Broly doesn't really do anything iirc, is a key really needed?

he can fight, he has known stats, he has a form that his adult self cant access

pretty much needed imo

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Child Broly doesn't really do anything iirc, is a key really needed?

I agree with that too

 

[Nierre]

there's literally no point of this key

 

[Sus]

why not? all stats are known, and it has differences than adult key

 

[Sus]

also, what do y'all think of the base broly point?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

he can fight, he has known stats, he has a form that his adult self cant access

pretty much needed imo

He's never been in a fight, his stats are almost entirely based on a power level because he lacks feats, and he's never entered his monkey form so just because he has a great ape form that adult broly doesn't have, I still don't see a reason for it. Heck child Broly isn't even shown that much as far as I can remember.

Child Broly just isn't shown doing much worth indexing for a key. However, I'll see what others think.

also, what do y'all think of the base broly point?

Neutral. I'll wait to see what others think.

As for the key merge, the keys might not be needed since the transformations are just appearance change and stat boosters and could all be in one key but that's kinda just a preference, so really it doesn't matter in my opinion, whatever majority think is better I'm fine with.

 

[Sus]

He's never been in a fight, his stats are almost entirely based on a power level because he lacks feats, and he's never entered his monkey form so just because he has a great ape form that adult broly doesn't have, I still don't see a reason for it. Heck child Broly isn't even shown that much as far as I can remember.

Child Broly just isn't shown doing much worth indexing for a key. However, I'll see what others think

same applies for kid vegeta who has a toei key + even some characters tiering is based entirely on power level without feats, but broly does have feats, he's shown constantly rampaging and destroying planets

 

[Sus]

there's no specific criteria to have a key for a character that doesn't appear much

as long as it has known, unique stats, there's no reason not to add it imo

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

same applies for kid vegeta who has a toei key + even some characters tiering is based entirely on power level without feats, but broly does have feats, he's shown constantly rampaging and destroying planets

Kid Vegeta fought those Saibamen

 

[Sus]

Kid Vegeta fought those Saibamen

and broly scales to him? so

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

and broly scales to him? so

I'm talking about the "never been in a fight" thing

 

[Sus]

I'm talking about the "never been in a fight" thing

fair, but do we really need an onscreen fight? king vegeta and paragus have stats without any fights

i understand if kid broly didn't have specific stats, but he does, i can actually make valid matches with the key
rather than just a genuinely useless "unknown" key

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I personally find the key unnecessary.

 

[Sus]

I personally find the key unnecessary.

why? it can be used just as much as any key

also what do you think of the other points?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Didn't we have base super broly before?

 

[Sus]

Didn't we have base super broly before?

base broly does have a key yes
it's toei broly who's left as unknown despite having feats

my point on base super broly is being 1/10th of his oozaru, which could scale him to 6 universes
considering how tier 2 gaps work, i would prefer a staff member comment in super broly stuff

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Sure. Give him a baby key. It'll be funny.

 

[Sus]

Sure. Give him a baby key. It'll be funny.

saiyans are shown to be able to walk and talk faster than humans (iirc, might be wrong)
both movies show broly to be the case as well

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

why? it can be used just as much as any key

also what do you think of the other points?

Because he barely appears let alone fights, and we know surface level things, but not full details. Also, escaping planet Vegeta isn't really much of a durability feat but rather he rescued his dad and flew off the planet before it exploded.

 

[Sus]

Because he barely appears let alone fights, and we know surface level things, but not full details

we don't know full details of alot of characters that's why we use conservative values, in which broly has all, only stat arguably unknown is stamina

with a key with as much stats as other characters with not much screentime, no reason to disregard it really, we already have similar keys

Also, escaping planet Vegeta isn't really much of a durability feat but rather he rescued his dad and flew off the planet before it exploded.

it's not taken into account in the first place

 

[Sus]

bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

bump

Is it okay if i ask for closure on this? Since we have 2 staff members disagreeing on a key for the profile?

 

[Sus]

Is it okay if i ask for closure on this? Since we have 2 staff members disagreeing on a key for the profile?

well there's still other straightforward additions, so no

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what do you think of the remaining additions?

• adding oozaru to toei broly as he still has a tail
• downscaling base broly from his higher forms, this won't effect canon broly's ap, only speed, since we don't downscale in tier 2

 

[Padaruyos]

Downscaling Base Broly to 1/10th Ikari Broly (who scales to SSB Goku) doesn't seem to make that much sense to me. Broly's Ikari form constantly grows in strength, he was being restrained and hurt by SSG Goku who is 50x weaker than his SSB self, and then he managed to fight on even ground with SSB Goku.

The difference between Base Broly and Ikari Broly isn't just the 10x given by his Ikari form but also the much larger and unquantifiable boost on his base form.