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Brane cosmology in Bleach ?

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Marshadow29 said:
thats already proven in the OP. the realms are shown as while, while garganta surrounds them, which means an extra spatial axis
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I mean, just because there's a larger infinity surrounding them doesn't mean it has an extra spatial axis. This is just as a 2-C plane/space(whatever) contains Low 2-C universes and is larger than it.
 
It's not crazy, it's completely logical, especially combined with aizen's explanation of his transcendence and dimensionality, and hell being a multiverse etc.

And yes DMC is tier 1 through that, which is why i made the argument.
 
Hellscream said:
It's not crazy, it's completely logical, especially combined with aizen's explanation of his transcendence and dimensionality, and hell being a multiverse etc.

And yes DMC is tier 1 through that, which is why i made the argument.
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Dude DMC didn't being Tier 1 with these arguments. And before 9D became demon spirits, it was verse 2-C.
 
KLOL506 said:
Uhhhh... DMC has a 9-D statement for 1-C, please don't derail with whataboutism from other verses, plus Tier 1 sitewide revisions (Which will result in DMC downgrades anyway) are still in the works.
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Bleach has 5-D statements from aizen that have way more proof than DMC, and actually use mathematical terms in order to back it up.
 
Also yes, encompassment and being infinitely larger than the lower realm alone won't get you into Tier 1 without some additional supporting statement that explicitly states that the larger realm views the smaller realms as inconsequential, as infinitely smaller than them, views them as spatially flat or that the realm exists in a higher level of existence than the smaller realms in combination with the above.

But even that is in murky waters right now due to the upcoming Tier 1 revisions that DT and Ultima have planned so talk it out with them.
 
Okay so, i'll make a short explanation for people who don't understand Aizen's analogy and higher dimensionality.



In the context of aizen's transcendence / higher dimensionality
He decided to give an anaology to explain how his own existence works, so no it's not just an anology it literally applies to his own being in the context of how it's used. He states that just like a 2-Dimensional being can't interact with a 3-D dimensional being, they can't interact with him.
And directly uses "planes" and saying that he's in a "higher plane"

For which a "plane" means this
In geometry, a plane is a flat surface that extends into infinity. It is also known as a two-dimensional surface. A plane has zero thickness, zero curvature, infinite width, and infinite length. It is actually difficult to imagine a plane in real life; all the flat surfaces of a cube or cuboid, flat surface of paper are all real examples of a geometric plane. We can see an example of a plane in which the position of any given point on the plane is determined using an ordered pair of numbers or coordinates. The coordinates show the correct location of the points on the plane.

Meaning that to be in a "higher plane" of existence you'd need to have more than two-dimensions, and in this case 3 dimensions. which would already make him a higher dimensional being.

This absolutely makes sense, considering the previous analogy he gave about his dimensionality, his own being and that he's a transcendent existence.
The analogy also supports everything he claims, and stuff like him being able to destroy the kototsu (a being of reason that controls space-time)
 
Hellscream said:
Bleach has 5-D statements from aizen that have way more proof than DMC, and actually use mathematical terms in order to back it up.
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Brother ain’t no way you’re making this comparison 💀

Anyways, Aizen’s statement is actually just an analogy he made and not only that, it has nothing to do with this thread since his statement has no bearing on the Garganga qualifying for tier 1. So idk why you think it counts as evidence here when it’s totally separate from this thread.
 
Maitreya said:
Brother ain’t no way you’re making this comparison 💀

Anyways, Aizen’s statement is actually just an analogy he made and not only that, it has nothing to do with this thread since his statement has no bearing on the Garganga qualifying for tier 1. So idk why you think it counts as evidence here when it’s totally separate from this thread.
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Because Butterfly aizen evolved into his state through the hogyoku that contains fragments of the soul king ?XD
Soul king being the strongest being in the verse, and aizen wanting to replace him yk 👌
 
Hellscream said:
It's not crazy, it's completely logical, especially combined with aizen's explanation of his transcendence and dimensionality, and hell being a multiverse etc.

And yes DMC is tier 1 through that, which is why i made the argument.
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We've told you thousands of times, when Aizen mentions this he's talking about the superiority of Shinigami, there's nothing literal there

Stop mentioning DMC here, DMC has explicit quotes that have 9D.
 
Hellscream said:
Okay so, i'll make a short explanation for people who don't understand Aizen's analogy and higher dimensionality.



In the context of aizen's transcendence / higher dimensionality
He decided to give an anaology to explain how his own existence works, so no it's not just an anology it literally applies to his own being in the context of how it's used. He states that just like a 2-Dimensional being can't interact with a 3-D dimensional being, they can't interact with him.
And directly uses "planes" and saying that he's in a "higher plane"

For which a "plane" means this
In geometry, a plane is a flat surface that extends into infinity. It is also known as a two-dimensional surface. A plane has zero thickness, zero curvature, infinite width, and infinite length. It is actually difficult to imagine a plane in real life; all the flat surfaces of a cube or cuboid, flat surface of paper are all real examples of a geometric plane. We can see an example of a plane in which the position of any given point on the plane is determined using an ordered pair of numbers or coordinates. The coordinates show the correct location of the points on the plane.

Meaning that to be in a "higher plane" of existence you'd need to have more than two-dimensions, and in this case 3 dimensions. which would already make him a higher dimensional being.

This absolutely makes sense, considering the previous analogy he gave about his dimensionality, his own being and that he's a transcendent existence.
The analogy also supports everything he claims, and stuff like him being able to destroy the kototsu (a being of reason that controls space-time)
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Yeah no, that alone won't get you anywhere unless you get further clarifications on what exactly this higher plane is and how it operates in-verse. Your description of a plane needs to be repeated verbatim in the verse itself or else you're shit outta luck.
 
Hellscream said:
Okay so, i'll make a short explanation for people who don't understand Aizen's analogy and higher dimensionality.



In the context of aizen's transcendence / higher dimensionality
He decided to give an anaology to explain how his own existence works, so no it's not just an anology it literally applies to his own being in the context of how it's used. He states that just like a 2-Dimensional being can't interact with a 3-D dimensional being, they can't interact with him.
And directly uses "planes" and saying that he's in a "higher plane"

For which a "plane" means this
In geometry, a plane is a flat surface that extends into infinity. It is also known as a two-dimensional surface. A plane has zero thickness, zero curvature, infinite width, and infinite length. It is actually difficult to imagine a plane in real life; all the flat surfaces of a cube or cuboid, flat surface of paper are all real examples of a geometric plane. We can see an example of a plane in which the position of any given point on the plane is determined using an ordered pair of numbers or coordinates. The coordinates show the correct location of the points on the plane.

Meaning that to be in a "higher plane" of existence you'd need to have more than two-dimensions, and in this case 3 dimensions. which would already make him a higher dimensional being.

This absolutely makes sense, considering the previous analogy he gave about his dimensionality, his own being and that he's a transcendent existence.
The analogy also supports everything he claims, and stuff like him being able to destroy the kototsu (a being of reason that controls space-time)
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There u go buddy, since u want explicit quotes
 
Hellscream said:
There u go buddy, since u want explicit quotes
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Not explicit enough. The part that you just said:

Hellscream said:
For which a "plane" means this
In geometry, a plane is a flat surface that extends into infinity. It is also known as a two-dimensional surface. A plane has zero thickness, zero curvature, infinite width, and infinite length. It is actually difficult to imagine a plane in real life; all the flat surfaces of a cube or cuboid, flat surface of paper are all real examples of a geometric plane. We can see an example of a plane in which the position of any given point on the plane is determined using an ordered pair of numbers or coordinates. The coordinates show the correct location of the points on the plane.
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All of this also needs to be in the verse itself, repeated verbatim, word for word. If not, it won't fly. At best, it's HDE.
 
I am really not seeing anything Tier 1 in here at all. Yeah, he talked about difference in dimensionality and higher plane jargon but like, people do realize that statements have to be substantiated in their series for them to be valid right? It seems to just be an elaborate analogy for the new level of power he's reached rather than him actually gaining an extra spatial dimensions and seeing the setting as completely flat relative to himself.

And can people not bring up DMC and such? It's an entirely different setting with different context. Worst comes to worst, scrutinize its reasoning if you need to but you shouldn't bring it up as a talking point for your upgrade.
 
Hellscream said:
Okay so, i'll make a short explanation for people who don't understand Aizen's analogy and higher dimensionality.



In the context of aizen's transcendence / higher dimensionality
He decided to give an anaology to explain how his own existence works, so no it's not just an anology it literally applies to his own being in the context of how it's used. He states that just like a 2-Dimensional being can't interact with a 3-D dimensional being, they can't interact with him.
And directly uses "planes" and saying that he's in a "higher plane"

For which a "plane" means this
In geometry, a plane is a flat surface that extends into infinity. It is also known as a two-dimensional surface. A plane has zero thickness, zero curvature, infinite width, and infinite length. It is actually difficult to imagine a plane in real life; all the flat surfaces of a cube or cuboid, flat surface of paper are all real examples of a geometric plane. We can see an example of a plane in which the position of any given point on the plane is determined using an ordered pair of numbers or coordinates. The coordinates show the correct location of the points on the plane.

Meaning that to be in a "higher plane" of existence you'd need to have more than two-dimensions, and in this case 3 dimensions. which would already make him a higher dimensional being.

This absolutely makes sense, considering the previous analogy he gave about his dimensionality, his own being and that he's a transcendent existence.
The analogy also supports everything he claims, and stuff like him being able to destroy the kototsu (a being of reason that controls space-time)
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The term “higher plane” doesn’t inherently qualify for higher dimensional superiority in a qualitative superior sense, you actually need to prove an actual R^n difference. A very specific qualitative superiority that goes beyond countable infinitely greater. You have to be “uncountably infinitely greater” to qualify.
 
KLOL506 said:
Yeah no, that alone won't get you anywhere unless you get further clarifications on what exactly this higher plane is and how it operates in-verse. Your description of a plane needs to be repeated verbatim in the verse itself or else you're shit outta luck.
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Yeah, it will if you can prove that real life theories apply in the verse, which obviously does considering they mention that 2-D beings can't even interact with 3-D beings :/

And you can five me the other "meaning" of what being in a higher plane of existence is.
 
Hellscream said:
Yeah, it will if you can prove that real life theories apply in the verse, which obviously does considering they mention that 2-D beings can't even interact with 3-D beings :/

And you can five me the other "meaning" of what being in a higher plane of existence is.
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Not how it works here buddy, you need your verse to substantiate those claims for them to be valid.

Either accept that or just leave. The Unwatch button is right at the top.
 
I love when people that are absolutely clueless and have 0 idea of what they're talking about are spamming me with useless shit.
 
Hellscream said:
I love when people that are absolutely clueless and have 0 idea of what they're talking about are spamming me with useless shit.
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Way to ******* insult people over because they tried to tell you your way isn't the wiki's way. Absolutely perfect.
 
KLOL506 said:
Way to ******* insult people over because they tried to tell you your way isn't the wiki's way. Absolutely perfect.
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Where's the insult? Im stating facts buddy, 80% of the people in this thread don't even know what qualifies as tier 1, and yet here they are giving their opinion.
 
Stop trying to make it seem as if im throwing insults, just because i say that you don't know what you're talking about
 
Hellscream said:
Where's the insult? Im stating facts buddy, 80% of the people in this thread don't even know what qualifies as tier 1, and yet here they are giving their opinion.
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Half of them just gave you the clear-cut answer that doesn't need you to learn Tier 1 rocket science to begin with, especially me who has now given you the answers you seek, straight from Ultima himself, as a general thing for Tier 1.

You do realize that these same people you're insulting are the ones who will decide if this shit goes through or not, right?
 
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