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Boruto Uzumaki (manga) vs Kaidou (One Piece) [ kaidou vote 6] [boruto vote 2]

NeoKingOfLight said:
Is this gonna be one of those, “Haki nullifies his entire Arsenal and Luffy is immune to Physical Blunt Damage”, type of threads? Because if so, why bother with the thread? Clearly it’ll be a stomp.
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Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Luffy stomps everything in Boruto so gg
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Ok now fighter change
Dragongod224 said:

Boruto Uzumaki (manga)

Vs

Kaidou (One Piece)


Boruto Uzumaki (manga)
Vs
Kaidou (One Piece)

Key :- Low 5-B used for both
speed :- equalized
Battle field :- A Island
Distance :- 50 Miter

Who win and how
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New fighter Kaidou for One Piece
 
the only thing boruto has is a slightly higher AP...but the difference is so little that it doesn't matter.
Kaido is obviously more experienced, is an entire tier above in LS and, well, Haki.

is Boruto's absorption adding anything here? if not, imma vote for kaido if this ain't a stomp
 
noninho said:
the only thing boruto has is a slightly higher AP...but the difference is so little that it doesn't matter.
Kaido is obviously more experienced, is an entire tier above in LS and, well, Haki.

is Boruto's absorption adding anything here? if not, imma vote for kaido if this ain't a stomp
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I don't know what kind of effect it's has. its only said

Absorption (Can absorb the techniques of others)

So, idk
 
So, speed is equal and Boruto has a Slight AP Advantage. Haki negates abilities but Rasengan is just raw energy. Being compressed and rotated, it’s basically natural forces associated with its power, thus there is nothing “there” for Haki to Suppress (On a principled basis, It’s no different than Luffy Simply blowing Air in his Arms to enlarge them for greater mass when he punches).

Boruto is a skilled fighter & trained assassin. There is no evidence that Kaidou is more skilled in h2h and vise-versa, nor does he have experience fighting people with his abilities (And Vise-Versa), so it’s a moot point to argue, but Boruto has shown better CIQ and THAT is where it matters.

Anyways, seeing as they have equal speed, does Kaidou have a response to Boruto Stream? His Durability isn’t tanking Rasengans and Boruto’s Clones are just as strong (King’s Haki Emission isn’t making them go poof as so many people falsely believe. Unless you believe he is knocking out Boruto with it, his Clones aren’t going away from it either).

I’d also like to point out that Kaidou has no response to Substitution Jutsu, which can be spammed to high hell.

This fight is certainly not as easy as some of you are making it out to be.
 
I'm definitely voting for Kaidou.

He's starting off in his Low 5-B state, meaning he's already constantly growing in both power and speed as the fight goes on due to being drunk. His growth allows him to outspeed characters that could previously blitz him and tank attacks from those significantly injure him before.

Even if we were to disregard Kaidou's passive growth, Boruto has no real way to put Kaidou down. The damage from the destruction of his heart as well as a barrage of several internally exploding punches was considered to be "too shallow," and not enough to even affect him to the point to where the attackers where exhausting themselves before making any progress. Kaidou was already durable enough to facetank 1.7 Zettaton attacks, so there's no chance that Boruto can phase him.

Kaidou also has future sight, which not only allows him to see further in the future than even Luffy, but boosts his perception and reaction speed, allowing him to view opponents as completely frozen. On top of all of this, Kaidou's Buso would act as a sort of passive durability negation thanks to its hardness, allowing him to harm characters with softer bodies regardless of if their durability is on his level or not.

Borushiki also isn't a wincon for Boruto here. Not only would Kaidou be aware of Momoshiki prior to defeating Boruto thanks to Kenbun (which removes the surprise element), but nothing would change from the original fight. Kaidou still has his insane durability and speed which is constantly increasing, he still has his monstrous stamina/endurance and pain tolerance, he still has his Haki, and he still has his fruit hax.
 
well, since now we saw that it isn't 100% impossible for boruto
imma also vote Kaido, as this dragon is very impressive and i don't see those 2 boruto advantages saving him here (and FRA, of course)
 
Kachon123 said:
to facetank 1.7 Zettaton attacks, so there's no chance that Boruto can phase him.
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Over Kong gun scales to 1.08 zet
Kachon123 said:
Kaidou also has future sight, which not only allows him to see further in the future than even Luffy, but boosts his perception and reaction speed, allowing him to view opponents as completely frozen. On top of all of this, Kaidou's Buso would act as a sort of passive durability negation thanks to its hardness, allowing him to harm characters with softer bodies regardless of if their durability is on his level or not.

Borushiki also isn't a wincon for Boruto here. Not only would Kaidou be aware of Momoshiki prior to defeating Boruto thanks to Kenbun (which removes the surprise element), but nothing would change from the original fight. Kaidou still has his insane durability and speed which is constantly increasing, he still has his monstrous stamina/endurance and pain tolerance, he still has his Haki, and he still has his fruit hax.
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Kaido FRA
 
KaydeeX said:
Over Kong gun scales to 1.08 zet

Kaido FRA
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noninho said:
well, since now we saw that it isn't 100% impossible for boruto
imma also vote Kaido, as this dragon is very impressive and i don't see those 2 boruto advantages saving him here (and FRA, of course)
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Kachon123 said:
I'm definitely voting for Kaidou.

He's starting off in his Low 5-B state, meaning he's already constantly growing in both power and speed as the fight goes on due to being drunk. His growth allows him to outspeed characters that could previously blitz him and tank attacks from those significantly injure him before.

Even if we were to disregard Kaidou's passive growth, Boruto has no real way to put Kaidou down. The damage from the destruction of his heart as well as a barrage of several internally exploding punches was considered to be "too shallow," and not enough to even affect him to the point to where the attackers where exhausting themselves before making any progress. Kaidou was already durable enough to facetank 1.7 Zettaton attacks, so there's no chance that Boruto can phase him.

Kaidou also has future sight, which not only allows him to see further in the future than even Luffy, but boosts his perception and reaction speed, allowing him to view opponents as completely frozen. On top of all of this, Kaidou's Buso would act as a sort of passive durability negation thanks to its hardness, allowing him to harm characters with softer bodies regardless of if their durability is on his level or not.

Borushiki also isn't a wincon for Boruto here. Not only would Kaidou be aware of Momoshiki prior to defeating Boruto thanks to Kenbun (which removes the surprise element), but nothing would change from the original fight. Kaidou still has his insane durability and speed which is constantly increasing, he still has his monstrous stamina/endurance and pain tolerance, he still has his Haki, and he still has his fruit hax.
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Vote counted now
 
ok so
Kaidou DOESN'T start in Kaen Daiko here
meaning his AP here is 537.6 Exatons WITH Haoshoku infusion while Boruto's is 1.69 Zettatons. Even with Kaen Daiko, he's still weaker, and Boruto can become stronger via becoming a Full Otsutsuki

Boruto's main issue here is honestly just Kenbun since his Precog is MUCH better than Boruto's Jogan, and can help him bypass Substitution Jutsu (by figuring out where he is by seeing the future). Boruto's not gonna have a very fun time landing hits.
The issue is that Kaido has been hit and injured by far slower opponents with much weaker Kenbun before (Scabbards, Yamato, Zoro, etc), so it's not exactly an automatic win button.
Nothing else Kaido has is hax enough to really be a problem for someone stronger than himself
Kaen DAiko would be a problem since it makes him much stronger plus Boruto wouldn't be able to get near him without sustaining fire damage, but Boruto has several ranged Rasengan-based attacks to be able to deal with him

Not to mention, Shadow Clone Jutsu is absolutely nuts in this fight. Making several clones just as strong and nearly as durable as himself means that Kaido just gets jumped by a bunch of kids 3 times stronger than him. This also makes using Kenbun much harder since he has to deal with 5 people several times stronger and smaller than he is for most of the fight
 
Mickey1940 said:
Boruto's main issue here is honestly just Kenbun since his Precog is MUCH better than Boruto's Jogan, and can help him bypass Substitution Jutsu (by figuring out where he is by seeing the future). Boruto's not gonna have a very fun time landing hits.
The issue is that Kaido has been hit and injured by far slower opponents with much weaker Kenbun before (Scabbards, Yamato, Zoro, etc), so it's not exactly an automatic win button.
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Kaidou getting consistently 'tagged' by those weaker than him happened for the same reason they could survive so long against him. He was not trying. Kaidou is starting in Shuron Hakke drunk state, meaning he would be fighting the same way he fought Luffy since that's how he fights people who he believes ca go toe-to-toe with him.

Against Boruto, he would dodge attacks, blitz, and utilize his mobility + speed in ways to overwhelm his opponent. Boruto doesn't have an answer to that.
Mickey1940 said:
Nothing else Kaido has is hax enough to really be a problem for someone stronger than himself
Kaen DAiko would be a problem since it makes him much stronger plus Boruto wouldn't be able to get near him without sustaining fire damage, but Boruto has several ranged Rasengan-based attacks to be able to deal with him
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Kaidou's range with Kaen Daiko is way too big and he's way too fast in that form for Boruto to ever thing of avoiding it. Even the ambient heat could vaporize several thousand square kilometers of rock and burn Luffy through his Haki.

However, I don't even think the fight would get to that. Kaidou's other hax such as his invisible Kaifu danmaku would be very troublesome for Boruto.
Mickey1940 said:
Not to mention, Shadow Clone Jutsu is absolutely nuts in this fight. Making several clones just as strong and nearly as durable as himself means that Kaido just gets jumped by a bunch of kids 3 times stronger than him.
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Kaidou can use his Haōshoku Haki or just spawn several massive tornados to take them out. They are shadow clones are non-factors.
Mickey1940 said:
This also makes using Kenbun much harder since he has to deal with 5 people several times stronger and smaller than he is for most of the fight
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Numbers has never been an issue for Kenbun users. Low tier users like Rebecca are able to solo entire hordes of relative fighters without getting hit once just because of her Kenbun.
 
Kachon123 said:
Incorrect. Boruto matched Limiters on Code, who is 1.7 Zettatons. It is only Limiters removed Code that is 10 Zettatons.
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Shit, you're right, I could've sworn those got removed around the time he met Delta and Daemon, I forgot he did that raid on Konoha beforehand.

Ok, so that's upscaling off Delta, who scales off Naruto, who upscales off his earlier drained self, who upscales off Fused Momoshiki, who scales to his base value + Kinshiki's base value, with both upscaling off Kaguya, who feared them despite being superior to Hagoromo, and I'm pretty sure the scaling comes off an old, dying Hagoromo, who, after extraction the Ten-Tails from himself, then splitting apart and scattering the Bijuu using his chakra, was able to perform a feat that is 845.9 Exatons. Kurama stated that the extraction alone would have left Hagoromo so weak he was almost dead, and rendered him immobile for months, as an idea of how weakened he was at the time.

Essentially, that's the size of the upscale here. TLDR:
Dying, Old, Weakened Hagoromo < Young Hagoromo < Kaguya < Kinshiki or Momoshiki < Kinshiki + Momoshiki = Fused Momoshiki < Reduced Chakra SPSM Naruto < a later SPSM Naruto with full chakra = Delta < WK Code = TK Boruto.

It's like if Sickbeard's value came from him while he was knocked out from a heart attack.
 
SlendVeny said:
Dying, Old, Weakened Hagoromo < Young Hagoromo < Kaguya < Kinshiki or Momoshiki < Kinshiki + Momoshiki = Fused Momoshiki < Reduced Chakra SPSM Naruto < a later SPSM Naruto with full chakra = Delta < WK Code = TK Boruto.
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Kaidou has a pretty nutty scaling chain too so this doesn't really mean much. Boruto has way to deal lasting damage to Kaidou not because of the proximity of their stats but because of Kaidou's endurance and Boruto's lack of durability negating attacks of note.

Boruto can land as many rasengans as he wants. Kaidou considered a gamma knife to his heart and a gaping bleeding wound to his chest as shallow damage. He can get hit in the head with durability negating attacks from dusk to dawn and still have enough energy to carry an entire island.
 
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