Boruto Uzumaki (manga) vs Kaidou (One Piece) [ kaidou vote 6] [boruto vote 2]

[Mickey1940]

ahm....yeah, he does
the only stage where he's L5-B is with Shuron Hakke (A state, when he's drunk. He's not on this one as it would be specified.) and Kaen Daiko, and OP states clearly:

so i don't get it

yeah both keys are Low 5B

OP doesn't specify what he starts with but I kinda just assumed he started in Shuron Hakke

everyone else here probably assumed the same thing considering the arguments given

 

[Mickey1940]

I meant 1.08 Zettatons, but the point still remains since the attacks Kaidou could facetank without defending himself are still 75% as strong as Boruto's attacks.

he was knocked out by the Bajrang Gun which is weaker than Boruto

he's not facetanking anything here

 

[Mickey1940]

Kaido FRA although tbh this match would be removed soon after some upgrades

what upgrades?

 

[Kachon123]

he was knocked out by the Bajrang Gun which is weaker than Boruto

he's not facetanking anything here

I never claimed that Kaidou would facetank Boruto's attacks. I'm saying that because he could do that to attacks that are only 75% as strong as Boruto (which is very close relatively speaking when in combat contexts), he should be able to endure all of Boruto's attacks with his Buso + Haō protection and Shuron Hakke growth making the rest of the difference.

 

[SlendVeny]

I never claimed that Kaidou would facetank Boruto's attacks. I'm saying that because he could do that to attacks that are only 75% as strong as Boruto (which is very close relatively speaking when in combat contexts), he should be able to endure all of Boruto's attacks with his Buso + Haō protection and Shuron Hakke growth making the rest of the difference.

How much do the facetanked attacks upscale off the base value?

 

[Kachon123]

How much do the facetanked attacks upscale off the base value?

I can't give you a number since any value would be completely arbitrary, but if a character is unaffected by an attack, would a 25% increase suddenly make a huge difference? It's hard to say, especially when considering other factors such as amps and endurance.

 

[SlendVeny]

I can't give you a number since any value would be completely arbitrary, but if a character is unaffected by an attack, would a 25% increase suddenly make a huge difference? It's hard to say, especially when considering other factors such as amps and endurance.

I've already explained why it's not just a 25% increase, but rather a massive upscale off the 25% increase. Boruto would easily tank attacks at the value he's scaling to.

 

[Kachon123]

I've already explained why it's not just a 25% increase, but rather a massive upscale off the 25% increase. Boruto would easily tank attacks at the value he's scaling to.

And I've also already explained why Kaidou has a massive upscale as well, arguably higher than Boruto's. You know how large Kaidou's scaling chain is so I don't know why you're bringing it up in favor for Boruto when it's a nonfactor for both at best.

 

[SlendVeny]

And I've also already explained why Kaidou has a massive upscale as well, arguably higher than Boruto's. You know how large Kaidou's scaling chain is so I don't know why you're bringing it up in favor for Boruto when it's a nonfactor for both at best.

Where? Unless it was him tanking a G4 punch that only sent him flying, or that attack Law landed on him.

 

[Kachon123]

Where? Unless it was him tanking a G4 punch that only sent him flying, or that attack Law landed on him.

Every single value that has a multiplier added on it has it's scaling chain.

For example, someone like Snakeman Luffy isn't just 4x Base Luffy's 67.2 Exaton value because Base Luffy has his own massive scaling chain above other 67.2 Exaton characters.

 

[SlendVeny]

Every single value that has a multiplier added on it has it's scaling chain.

For example, someone like Snakeman Luffy isn't just 4x Base Luffy's 67.2 Exaton value because Base Luffy has his own massive scaling chain above other 67.2 Exaton characters.

Is Base Luffy that far above Sickbeard?

 

[Mickey1940]

I never claimed that Kaidou would facetank Boruto's attacks. I'm saying that because he could do that to attacks that are only 75% as strong as Boruto (which is very close relatively speaking when in combat contexts), he should be able to endure all of Boruto's attacks with his Buso + Haō protection and Shuron Hakke growth making the rest of the difference.

bro I said this like 5 times already

Shuron Hakke isn't a reactive evolution infinite omniboost. It makes his Haki stronger but the limit to this is already listed on his profile, and it's still weaker than Boruto

 

[Mickey1940]

I can't give you a number since any value would be completely arbitrary, but if a character is unaffected by an attack, would a 25% increase suddenly make a huge difference? It's hard to say, especially when considering other factors such as amps and endurance.

Normally no but Kaidou was knocked out by a character weaker than Boruto. The Bajrang Gun is stronger than Kaidou and weaker than Boruto, and Boruto can spam attacks stronger than the Bajrang Gun since he's just naturally stronger than the attack. Kaidou straight up can't afford to take repeated hits like he did during the Wano War even despite his endurance

 

[Kachon123]

Is Base Luffy that far above Sickbeard?

Deadbeard when he had had his last heart attack before he died. Gura bare minimum pretty much output-wise.

 

[Kachon123]

Normally no but Kaidou was knocked out by a character weaker than Boruto. The Bajrang Gun is stronger than Kaidou and weaker than Boruto, and Boruto can spam attacks stronger than the Bajrang Gun since he's just naturally stronger than the attack. Kaidou straight up can't afford to take repeated hits like he did during the Wano War even despite his endurance

Just like I can't claim Kaidou's durability superior to Boruto's Ap, you absolutely can not claim the inverse. Bajrang Gun/Kaidou's durability scales unquantifiably far above 1.08 Zettatons while Boruto's AP scales quantifiably not far above that value (1.32x).

If you want to say that Boruto can harm Kaidou if his body gets hit, then thats fine because no one is really denying that, but objectively the gap in this match is not nearly enough for each hit to deal significant damage for even your average fighter's level of pain tolerance let alone an endurance beast like Kaidou.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Just like I can't claim Kaidou's durability superior to Boruto's Ap, you absolutely can not claim the inverse. Bajrang Gun/Kaidou's durability scales unquantifiably far above 1.08 Zettatons while Boruto's AP scales quantifiably not far above that value (1.32x).

If you want to say that Boruto can harm Kaidou if his body gets hit, then thats fine because no one is really denying that, but objectively the gap in this match is not nearly enough for each hit to deal significant damage for even your average fighter's level of pain tolerance let alone an endurance beast like Kaidou.

Where did you gst 75% boruto ap is is 1.7 zt and 3.4 zt with odama rasengan.

On second thought switch my vote to boruto. The arguments hinged on boruto not being able to put him down but a 3x ap advantage is definitely going to put him down

 

[Dragongod224]

Where did you gst 75% boruto ap is is 1.7 zt and 3.4 zt with odama rasengan.

On second thought switch my vote to boruto. The arguments hinged on boruto not being able to put him down but a 3x ap advantage is definitely going to put him down

Is you want to switch your vote to boruto

 

[SlendVeny]

Just like I can't claim Kaidou's durability superior to Boruto's Ap, you absolutely can not claim the inverse. Bajrang Gun/Kaidou's durability scales unquantifiably far above 1.08 Zettatons while Boruto's AP scales quantifiably not far above that value (1.32x).

Boruto is also unquantifiably far above his own value. And nobody hit me with another "But Kaidou can take 1.08 and only get knocked backwards" because I am not arguing that. Idk where you're getting the 'not far' from tho.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Is you want to switch your vote to boruto

Yes

 

[Dragongod224]

Yes

Ok, no problem

Vote switch to boruto

Now [ kaidou vote 6] [boruto vote 1]

 

[Mickey1940]

oh btw in case it wasn't already made clear, I'm voting Boruto

 

[Mickey1940]

Just like I can't claim Kaidou's durability superior to Boruto's Ap, you absolutely can not claim the inverse. Bajrang Gun/Kaidou's durability scales unquantifiably far above 1.08 Zettatons while Boruto's AP scales quantifiably not far above that value (1.32x).

If you want to say that Boruto can harm Kaidou if his body gets hit, then thats fine because no one is really denying that, but objectively the gap in this match is not nearly enough for each hit to deal significant damage for even your average fighter's level of pain tolerance let alone an endurance beast like Kaidou.

Boruto's AP is tied with Code's who's special even compared to Delta, who's comparable to Naruto who's 1.69 Zettatons

Kaidou may upscale from the calc on his profile, but Boruto also upscales from the calc listed on his profile.

 

[SlendVeny]

Boruto's AP is tied with Code's who's special even compared to Delta, who's comparable to Naruto who's 1.69 Zettatons

Kaidou may upscale from the calc on his profile, but Boruto also upscales from the calc listed on his profile.

And, as I mentioned, SPSM Naruto > an earlier, weakened SPSM Naruto(Chakra heavily drained, even 50% in the anime) > Fused Momoshiki = Momoshiki + Kinshiki. Both of them were > Kaguya BEFORE Momoshiki slurped out Naruto and Killer B's chakra, making him stronger than before. Hagoromo stated Kaguya was stronger than anyone, which could be referring to even his own Juubi Jinchuuriki self, but might not be. She fought him and his brother Hamura at the same time in their youth and an old, weakened, literally paralyzed and dying Hagoromo did the original 800-whatever Exaton value.

Essentially, even if he literally couldn't move due to being weakened, and was actively dying, and had greatly reduced chakra, Boruto would still upscale off his value.

 

[Dragongod224]

oh btw in case it wasn't already made clear, I'm voting Boruto

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