Boruto Rasengan Uzuhiko Implementation

[Arc7Kuroi]

Intro
Recently, I made this accepted calc based upon the new information presented to us in the official Boruto WSJ website. This thread’s purpose is to discuss the validity of implementing this calc in scaling. If it’s deemed valid I will make an actual scaling thread afterwards to determine who would scale to it.

Discussion
The website (linked in the calc blog itself) states that Uzuhiko utilizes the orbit of Earth about the Sun and the rotation of Earth about its own axis in the power of the Uzuhiko. The discussion to be had is whether or not said assumptions within the calc are valid, and thus Uzuhiko can be scaled to the calculated value. I have my own tentative opinions on the matter, but will wait for the discussion to begin to chime in.

Conclusion
Please use this thread to discuss whether or not the Uzuhiko’s AP should scale to the 5-B value in the calc or not. And again, this is not a scaling thread, the answer to “who will scale to this” will be answered in a follow up thread if it’s determined that Uzuhiko is 5-B.

Calc assumptions are fine: DDM, Dereck, Tracer, Maverick
Neutral: Damage
Calc assumptions aren’t fine:

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

 

[Deceived3596]

 

[Ped2018]

Well, the value is quite big so i think it's valid.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I don’t really see a problem with the reasoning but I’ll wait and see if there’s any counter arguments to be made

 

[Arkenis]

The rotation is what does damage for rasengans right? Though this seems to put that energy into the body so seems fine.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So essentially all the calc is using is the energy of the Earth's orbit around the sun right? Is it per second or a flat result or what?

 

[Shadyboi0]

 

[Stryker861]

So essentially all the calc is using is the energy of the Earth's orbit around the sun right? Is it per second or a flat result or what?

Yea it's basically just the earths orbital ke from the looks of it, Which seems fair to me. It's per second i think?

 

[Godernet]

With how the Jutsu is described to be a nigh-permanent Jutsu by Boruto (as long as the planet is alive the Jutsu will be active.)

it doesn't seem to be the case that Boruto is capable of simply using some small unquantifiable amount of the earth rotational KE to power his jutsu, rather he just connects his jutsu to the planet's chakra and in doing so creates a self-sustain jutsu via the earth's "ceaseless" rotation.

to put it more bluntly rather than grabbing a bit of planet chakra to make his jutsu work, he opens the door for his Planet's Chakra to directly affect his target both physically and mentally as the Database described, we even see through Daemon's comment that immediately after the jutsu's usage the planet shakes.

With Koji also comments that Boruto's "recklessness" could have destroyed the planet, which you could argue is him referring to Boruto using Uzuhiko on Code for as long as he did to make him submit, as Boruto does comment on being surprised the Uzuhiko didn't take out Code with its initial hit.

I don't see a reason this can't be used outside of issues with the calc itself if any come up.

 

[That_moron2]

Doesn't the attack work by pulling chakra from the planet's rotation? The chakra of the planet's rotation =/= the energy of the planet's rotation

 

[Godernet]

Doesn't the attack work by pulling chakra from the planet's rotation?

No, it works by tethering a person to the rotational forces of the planet.

The chakra of the planet's rotation =/= the energy of the planet's rotation

the databook say it specifically uses the planet's rotation, axis, and orbit + the corresponding centrifugal forces.

That's pretty blatantly referring to the kinetic energy of the planet spinning.

A planet's "chakra" is just its overall life force which the rotational KE of the planet is just an aspect of.

Bort basically accesses the planet's life force to use the energy of the planet spinning + his own power for an attack.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Intro
Recently, I made this accepted calc based upon the new information presented to us in the official Boruto WSJ website. This thread’s purpose is to discuss the validity of implementing this calc in scaling. If it’s deemed valid I will make an actual scaling thread afterwards to determine who would scale to it.

Discussion
The website (linked in the calc blog itself) states that Uzuhiko utilizes the orbit of Earth about the Sun and the rotation of Earth about its own axis in the power of the Uzuhiko. The discussion to be had is whether or not said assumptions within the calc are valid, and thus Uzuhiko can be scaled to the calculated value. I have my own tentative opinions on the matter, but will wait for the discussion to begin to chime in.

Conclusion
Please use this thread to discuss whether or not the Uzuhiko’s AP should scale to the 5-B value in the calc or not. And again, this is not a scaling thread, the answer to “who will scale to this” will be answered in a follow up thread if it’s determined that Uzuhiko is 5-B.

Calc assumptions are fine:
Neutral:
Calc assumptions aren’t fine:

The assumptions are fine. I think they were pretty specific in the explanation .
I also think the "other forces would be explained later" but for now this is fine

 

[Avengershows]

I obviously agree with this

 

[RanaProGamer]

Arc the only man who can casually upgrade or downgrade the Naruto verse like it’s Tuesday. Anyways, I think Uzuhiko scaling to 5-B works, even KK comments on it’s potential to destroy the Earth

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Net explained it beautifully, I think he hit the nail on the head there.

 

[That_moron2]

No, it works by tethering a person to the rotational forces of the planet.

You are referring to the first paragraph right? In which case the paragraph I linked clarifies that the planetary forces he’s referring to are the planet’s chakra “refers to the planetary energy used for Uzuhiko as a ‘planet's chakra’.”

the databook say it specifically uses the planet's rotation, axis, and orbit + the corresponding centrifugal forces.

Said things make up a part of the planet’s chakra as he says.

That's pretty blatantly referring to the kinetic energy of the planet spinning.

A planet's "chakra" is just its overall life force which the rotational KE of the planet is just an aspect of.

Bort basically accesses the planet's life force to use the energy of the planet spinning + his own power for an attack.

The “life force” you are referring to is chakra. Using the chakra of something does not make you as powerful as it. We know that speed and weight also factor into the energy of an attack in the Narutoverse (Guy and Lee)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This looks good

 

[Kidkinsey]

This mad sciencey where my big booms at. I'm jacking it tho good work

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Stop jacking it you sick pervert

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You are referring to the first paragraph right? In which case the paragraph I linked clarifies that the planetary forces he’s referring to are the planet’s chakra “refers to the planetary energy used for Uzuhiko as a ‘planet's chakra’.”

You’re falsely equating ALL of the planet’s chakra with the energy value in the blog. Which just isn’t the case.

The “life force” you are referring to is chakra. Using the chakra of something does not make you as powerful as it. We know that speed and weight also factor into the energy of an attack in the Narutoverse (Guy and Lee)

No one is claiming that Boruto is using ALL the planet’s chakra and thus scales to ALL the latent energy associated with the planet.

Moron I think you’re conflating the claim made implicitly by the blog and explicitly by Net with the claim that Uzuhiko is scaling to all the energy associated with the planet’s chakra. In which case you’d be correct, there’s no reason to assume Boruto is accessing every joule of energy of the planet in a single go. However, that’s not what Net is arguing nor is it what the calc asserts. Therefore, you’re fighting a strawman.

 

[That_moron2]

You’re falsely equating ALL of the planet’s chakra with the energy value in the blog. Which just isn’t the case.


No one is claiming that Boruto is using ALL the planet’s chakra and thus scales to ALL the latent energy associated with the planet.

Moron I think you’re conflating the claim made implicitly by the blog and explicitly by Net with the claim that Uzuhiko is scaling to all the energy associated with the planet’s chakra. In which case you’d be correct, there’s no reason to assume Boruto is accessing every joule of energy of the planet in a single go. However, that’s not what Net is arguing nor is it what the calc asserts. Therefore, you’re fighting a strawman.

Wrong. I’m claiming that it uses the chakra of said forces, rather than the forces themselves and therefore doesn’t scale to them. I’m also a little dubious on the rotational energy, since it’s based on a real life thing wouldn’t the earth destroy itself if it was producing 500+ Zettatons?

 

[HelloThere1089]

I’m also a little dubious on the rotational energy, since it’s based on a real life thing wouldn’t the earth destroy itself if it was producing 500+ Zettatons?

Bruh.

Do you not know how kinetic energy works? Just because a moving body has kinetic energy in it doesn't mean it's gonna destroy itself. This is very basic. A travelling bullet always has enough energy to destroy itself and more. The only way it's gonna destroy itself is if it hits something and stops. That way the kinetic energy is dispersed inside the bullet causing it to break. Similarly as long as nothing stops the Earth from moving, the kinetic energy is not gonna destroy Earth. This is the reason why in car crashes, the car is destroyed after it crashes and not while it is moving.

 

[Robo432343]

moron is spitting fax tho icl
i'll be neutral leaning to agree

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Wrong. I’m claiming that it uses the chakra of said forces, rather than the forces themselves and therefore doesn’t scale to them. I’m also a little dubious on the rotational energy, since it’s based on a real life thing wouldn’t the earth destroy itself if it was producing 500+ Zettatons?

First, the database explicitly states it uses the forces themselves. Word for word, so your claim is incorrect. Second, those 600ish Zettatons is the KE of the Earth moving around the Sun. That’s what our Earth does IRL and that’s the IRL KE too. Something can move with KE beyond its GBE, and it will be fine. If you put a giant wall in the path of Earth’s orbit around the Sun, then we’d have an issue, because the Earth would slam into that giant wall with KE greater than its GBE and destroy itself. But zero collisions are occurring so no the value does not contradict any physics or calc rules of the sort.

 

[SlendVeny]

"You call that a Planetary Rasengan?"

Agree FRA.

 

[That_moron2]

First, the database explicitly states it uses the forces themselves. Word for word, so your claim is incorrect.

Word for word says my claim. It actually mentions nothing about using the force itself rather than the chakra. In fact the phrase being precede by "one's own chakra" as well as [the planet's chakra] instead the text is using what the chakra is sourced from before clarifying later on.

The energy he's using in this attack is the chakra of the planet. No debate to be had.

 

[HelloThere1089]

No, the thing used is "planetary energy". What Boruto "calls" it is "planetary chakra". What it isn't is "nature energy".

This is the word for word interpretation of the line you highlighted. You are completely misunderstanding the purpose of that statement.

 

[CielTempest2]

Uzuhiko is more hax-ish than Ap-ish

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No, the thing used is "planetary energy". What Boruto "calls" it is "planetary chakra". What it isn't is "nature energy".

This is the word for word interpretation of the line you highlighted. You are completely misunderstanding the purpose of that statement.

Correct. What Boruto is actually using, and moron pay attention here, is the planet’s energy. What he calls it is the planet’s chakra, that doesn’t change the fact tho that what he is actually utilizing is the planet’s energy.

 

[That_moron2]

No, the thing used is "planetary energy". What Boruto "calls" it is "planetary chakra". What it isn't is "nature energy".

This is the word for word interpretation of the line you highlighted. You are completely misunderstanding the purpose of that statement.

Then Boruto doesn't even know how his attack works? Its sourcing Boruto for what the planetary energy is.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Then Boruto doesn't even know how his attack works? It’s sourcing Boruto for what the planetary energy is.

He’s using the word “chakra” as a colloquialism, as opposed to speaking hyper literally.

 

[That_moron2]

Correct. What Boruto is actually using, and moron pay attention here, is the planet’s energy. What he calls it is the planet’s chakra, that doesn’t change the fact tho that what he is actually utilizing is the planet’s energy.

Don't talk down to me. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Don't talk down to me. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree.

I’m not speaking down to you moron, relax buddy.

 

[That_moron2]

He’s using the word “chakra” as a colloquialism, as opposed to speaking hyper literally.

Supported by nothing. If they are totally different things then Boruto is just misinforming the audience which he has no reason to do.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Then Boruto doesn't even know how his attack works? Its sourcing Boruto for what the planetary energy is.

You can name things how ever you like. Just because Boruto doesn't use the correct scientific terminology, doesn't mean he doesn't know what it does.

 

[That_moron2]

You can name things how ever you like. Just because Boruto doesn't use the correct scientific terminology, doesn't mean he doesn't know what it does.

He's not "naming" it he's explaining it.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Supported by nothing. If they are totally different things then Boruto is just misinforming the audience which he has no reason to do.

It’s supported by the database telling us verbatim that 1) Boruto is utilizing the corresponding forces of Earth’s orbit and rotation and 2) that Boruto is using the planet’s energy. Not once does it say Boruto is instead using planet chakra. All it says is that Boruto refers to planet energy as planet chakra, which as I already explained is just a colloquialism. He’s not being hyper literal when he himself explains it, therefore he’s not misinformed when he explains it, you are insisting he’s speaking literally and thus misinformed when that is unsubstantiated. Furthermore, even if Boruto was speaking hyper literally he can just be wrong, the database is an omniscient narrator, they’d take precedence over Boruto’s explanation anyway.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Everytime you keep calling him moron I think you are insulting him until I read his name lmfao

Anyways the explanation seems pretty clear/fine to me

mark me down for agree

 

[HelloThere1089]

He's not "naming" it he's explaining it.

Bruh. I never said he's naming it. He's explaining the jutsu. And he's using terms that he's accustomed to. We know this because the databook clarifies what it actually is.