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Boros Revisions

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@Jonathan

What's the problem with having a good grammar? It only makes for a better conversation.

And in case you missed, nobody in giving PBRC its own Tier anymore.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Jonathan
What's the problem with having a good grammar? It only makes for a better conversation.

And in case you missed, nobody in giving PBRC its own Tier anymore.
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i never said anything was wrong with having good grammar.

so what are you guys gonna do with the boros profile then?
 
You seemed to imply that it was a weird thing, but okay.

We will give it three keys: Armored, Unsealed and Meteoric Burst
 
shouldnt boros be a solid 5-B?

saitama is a casual planet buster, yet he considers boros to be REALLY strong. 5-B is thousands of times above multi continent level, so why would saitama consider someone who is thousands of times weaker than him to be REALLY strong?

arale is 3-A mainly cause vegeta and goku (who are both 3-A) considered her to be very strong. couldnt the same apply with boros?
 
This is a very different situation, Saitama's never met someone who comes remotely close to him, or Boros. Goku and Vegeta meet plenty of 3As. Saitama would consider Boros strong if he were country level, continent level, moon level, or anything else, because the strongest opponent he's faced up to this point was likely just city to mountain level, and the strongest person he's seen was large island level.
 
Boros is obviously not comparable to Saitama. Saitama got one shot Boros with an attack that was stated by both of them to be rather held back despite the name of it.

And Saitama can utterly curbstomp someone stated to be on par with Boros. To the point where Garou even compared himself to an insect against baldy.

Saitama only finds Boros impressive cause everyone else he knows is insanely weak in comparison. Boros really shouldn't get an upgrade just because of that.
 
no you're wrong. saitama wasnt comparing boros with anyone when he said he was strong. saitama JUST MEANT that boros was strong in general. not strong compared to other monsters hes fought. he meant boros strong in general.
 
@ryu

saitama didnt really curbstomp garou. garou was actually dodging saitamas attacks with relative ease and getting far more hits on saitama while saitama couldnt even hit garou. garou only considered himself to be an insect when saitama lifted the ******* ground and ****** up garous senses. and while saitama did hold back against boros, he WAS serious so yeah. if saitama is 5-B and boros is high 6-A, that would mean saitama is THOUSANDS of times stronger, therefore saitama would have ZERO reasons to be serious against him.
 
Saitama directly calls Boros the strongest monster he's fought right after the statement you're talking about. He was comparing him to other fighters.

And as I've said, Boros is not on Saitama's level. This is stated by both of them. Boros was one shot by an attack stated multiple times to still be casual during their fight. And Saitama curbstomped someone stated to be on par with Boros.

Saitama definitely curbstomped Garou. He only managed to briefly evade the really casual attacks. Which afterwards, he admits to being casually overwhelmed by Saitama. The insect statement comes from the fact that Saitama is merely toying with him. And Garou states that literally nothing he can do will ever let him defeat Saitama.

There is no reason to upgrade Boros scaling to Saitama on the grounds that Saitama called him strong, when everything else points to Boros not scaling to Saitama.
 
Saitama vs boros
hes CLEARLY not comparing boros to anyone here. and btw, DIDNT BOROS DAMAGE SAITAMA? HIGH 6-A CHARACTER DAMAGING 5-B CHARACTER?? HMMM????
Saitama damage
like i said, saitama is like 7 thousand times stronger than boros based on the attack potency page. if saitama was even slightly serious, it means boros is more than high 6-A. just because boros said saitama had strength to spare, doesnt mean saitama wasnt serious. saitama could have been serious but still not use his full power.
 
Jonathanlighter said:
@ryu
so what you're saying is, saitamas serious punch wasnt serious? he just bullshitted?
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That is directly stated by Boros to be the case.

"You liar. You were still holding back" "It's as if you didn't bare your fangs at all during this whole battle" - mere pages after "Serious Punch."

So Boros calls Serious Punch a lie, and that Saitama never tried at all against him. This on top of how badly Saitama later stomped someone on Boros's level. Then it's quite clear that Saitama really was not trying that hard when one shotting him.

And we don't powerscale someone to a person who very casually one shot them. Boros should just be rated on his own feats and statements because of this. Not for the mere fact that Saitama called Boros strong, which again, was in the context of calling him the strongest person he's fought.

Jonathanlighter said:
@ryu
hes CLEARLY not comparing boros to anyone here. and btw, DIDNT BOROS DAMAGE SAITAMA? HIGH 6-A CHARACTER DAMAGING 5-B CHARACTER?? HMMM????

like i said, saitama is like 7 thousand times stronger than boros based on the attack potency page. if saitama was even slightly serious, it means boros is more than high 6-A. just because boros said saitama had strength to spare, doesnt mean saitama wasnt serious. saitama could have been serious but still not use his full power.
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Also please calm down as you've been told in other threads. This is nothing to get worked up because and all caps people with.

As others have said, the "he took damage" line isn't in the later versions of that chapter. Even then, considering how Saitama effortlessly tanked the final clash, it can easily just be inferred that he was restraining himself at that time.

Bang was stated to have gotten serious when he one shot those Dragon levels. Does that mean they comparable to him? No. He oneshot them. And in Saitama's case it's even explicitly said and later highly evidenced that he didn't try at all when oneshotting him.
 
so saitama can restrain his durability? what? his durability should be static, it doesnt change. hes not goku, who dies from a laser beam but then tanks universe level attacks later on. and saitama didnt really tank the blow, he deflected it with his own attack. thats not tanking.

but alright then. can someone calc boros's moon kick? if it was already calced, what were the results?

and sorry for the caps locking. its a habit
 
Saitama threw a punch with enough force to cancel out Boros's ultimate attack without any sign of damage whatsoever. That is a durability/tanking feat. He can withstand the power of PBRC/the power needed to negate it with no harm.

So when Saitama effortlessly tanks Boros's ultimate attack after "taking damage" from his vastly lesser hits, it is reasonable to conclude that he restrained his durability at that time.

Not that the durability restraining point even matters, since this line was retconned out.

I'm not sure about the kick feat.

Alright then. It's fine.
 
ahh okay.

so the only thing that should really change is giving boros three keys.

one for seal, one for unsealed, and one for meteoric burst.
 
Yeah. That seems to be what's being proposed. That and some possible change in stats to the lesser keys.
 
Regarding what I was asked to comment on:

PBRC should remain 5-B. While it ca be translated as "planet shaving" or sonething to that extent, the translator notes that context implies planet-busting. This explains why the manga and anime translate it slightly differently, but full context seems ti suggest the anime's version (via the manga guide).
 
@Azathoth I agree that the guidebook clearly treats him as a planetbuster. However my doubt is how the main canon manga calls him High 6-A and that there's a feat calced to be High 6-A. Which is why personally I wanted "At least High 6-A, likely/possibly 5-B." But I'm fine with whatever most of staff decide.

Also I made a shitpost on your wall ovo
 
@Ryu

Like I pointed out, the manga and anime are essentially both translating the same line differently. Both do so without full context, hence why the line is initially unclear. However, the guidebook (which is for the manga) suggests planet busting with full context, which would imply there's a good chance the "planet's surface" interpretation was the mistake, in the first place. Also, wasn't what was calced at High 6-A the shockwave of Saitama reflecting the attack and killing Boros as opposed the the result of PBRC itself? The attack never connected with the planet.

Oh goooood.
 
Jonathanlighter-about Garou,dont forgot that unlike Boros Saitama didnt try to kill Garou at all he see him as human
 
Okay. That seems reasonable. Thank you for the reply.
 
If there's substantial evidence to suggest that the High 6-A is a mistranslation then sure thing. The High 6-A is the calc of the attack that cancels out Boros's. I'd like to hear Matt's input though.

ovo
 
However, what is our current approach to the OPM anime series canonicity?
 
@Ryu

"Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon: Erase the Earth. The roar of despair !!! It is an attack able to destroy Earth.("Erase the Earth" could be translated as "shave the Earth", which means destroying a planet's surface, so both anime and manga's translation basically is two side of a coin, I think. But due to the text on the right, it is a planet buster)."

Translation of Boros' attack, along with translator's notes in parentheses. Note that after what could be translated as either "erase" or "shave", the context is clarified with use of "destroy".

@Ant

Secondary canon, I think. Though I can't 100% recall.
 
Jonathanlighter said:
Saitama vs boros
hes CLEARLY not comparing boros to anyone here. and btw, DIDNT BOROS DAMAGE SAITAMA? HIGH 6-A CHARACTER DAMAGING 5-B CHARACTER?? HMMM????
Saitama damage
like i said, saitama is like 7 thousand times stronger than boros based on the attack potency page. if saitama was even slightly serious, it means boros is more than high 6-A. just because boros said saitama had strength to spare, doesnt mean saitama wasnt serious. saitama could have been serious but still not use his full power.
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Boros didnt damage Saitama. That was Boros thinking to himself.
 
@Azzy Alright I see. Thanks for letting me know. I'd still appreciate Matt's input as well though.

Also pls respond to my memes on your wall. ovo
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
@Ryu
Like I pointed out, the manga and anime are essentially both translating the same line differently. Both do so without full context, hence why the line is initially unclear. However, the guidebook (which is for the manga) suggests planet busting with full context, which would imply there's a good chance the "planet's surface" interpretation was the mistake, in the first place. Also, wasn't what was calced at High 6-A the shockwave of Saitama reflecting the attack and killing Boros as opposed the the result of PBRC itself? The attack never connected with the planet.

Oh goooood.
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Context for planet busting in the manga


http://*********.com/Manga/Onepunch-Man/vol-007-ch-036-003?id=313835#19
 
Well, maybe Boros should get a straight 5-B rating, and Saitama "At least 5-B, likely higher"?
 
Jonathanlighter said:
A high 6-A character fighting against a 5-B character doesnt make much sense
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When the 5-B is explicitly not trying at all, never got harmed and casually one shot the High 6-A, then it "makes sense."

Boros does not scale to Saitama. End of. The only reason he'd be 5-B is if we accept the Planet level statements.
 
There is far more evidence for 5-B boros then high 6-A. The only source with boros saying he would destroy only the surface of earth was in the manga, and even that could be interpreted as either planet busting or surface wiping
 
I'm fine with him being rated as 5-B if most people accept the Planet level statements (though I'd also like to see what Matt has to say). But not based on trying to scale him to Saitama.
 
When there are more sources saying a character is planet level rather than surface level, then we should obviously go with planet level. The original japanese text doesnt even say whether boros is planet busting or surface wiping IIRC. Whereas the databook straigh up says boros could destroy the planet. And there is also a second databook (which ONE apparently was involved in) that says boros could destroy the star, which was probably actually planet. So we have TWO databooks saying boros is a planet buster. And only ONE source that says boros is surface level, which isnt even clear cause it could be interpreted as planet busting as well
 
You normal users need to write better, seriously. I'm sorry but it's terrible to read your posts in quick succession.

Anyway, Boros did manage to bother Saitama somewhat with his attacks, that's still there.

The two are still not comparable, but it happened.

If you people wanna make Boros High 6-A or 5-B, I dunno, I prefer the former but I won't ragequit if the later is chosen.
 
It's also possible Boros didn't know the full capabilities of his finishing move either. If Saitama was the first person to ever make him go unleashed, then it's possible he hadn't used the csrc at all before then too. If this is the case, then using the guidebook over what Boros states ain't such a bad idea.

Also, are we scaling Boros to Saitama's moon-jump anymore? Statements like these "And we don't 'powerscale' someone to a person who very casually one shot them. Boros should just be rated on his own feats and statements because of this" make me think otherwise.
 
Im fine with either (though I really like 5-B Boros) but is it just for his PBRC or will it scale to all stats?
 
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