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Opm is big and kind of controversial, need at least 3 thread mods and/admins agreements
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Boros FTL Upgrade (Not Clickbait)
- Thread starter Shmeatywerbenmanjenson
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We have 1 so far...
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Nah **** that, let’s pull a fast one on them
In all seriousness, this is a kind of minor and obvious revision that’s using an accepted calc, so it’s probably fine.
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Dude don't fall into that trap, it will end badly for all parties involved, trust me i saw similar situations
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Uncontroversial indeed, I also agree
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Okay. Sorry to bother you
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I've commented on the calc.
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The timeframe comes from rela+ reactions
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From where exactly though?
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Gerry Ganshlong
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I mean the actual figure itself.
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Rela+ perception value
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I don't see that value on the Reactions page.
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How is 2.50199 nanoseconds = 75% SOL perception speed?
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... Because 100% SOL is 0.000000003336 seconds? 75% of that is 0.00000000250200 seconds.
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Uh oh
I think it’s supposed to be reversed
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You realize that makes the timeframe smaller, as in the reactions better? (Notice how a 0.1 second reaction time is a whole lot better than a 0.5 second reaction time)
Now how could 75% lightspeed reactions be better than 100% lightspeed reactions?
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It should be .000000005838 seconds
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In future, it's usually better to explain your steps in the calc as you go through them as that helps not only the people reading the calc but it helps yourself as well to keep everything straight.
I spent a good few minutes looking through your calc wondering where on Earth you got that figure from.
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The calc is a few months old after all, I wouldn’t really care too much about a minor error like that
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Still an upgrade
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True
Also it’s pretty satisfying to have meteoric burst being basically a 2x speed multiplier, so that’s fine.
Also it’s pretty satisfying to have meteoric burst being basically a 2x speed multiplier, so that’s fine.
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Now that the calc has been corrected, I'll examine the actual specifics of its basis:
Geryuganshoop presently has this:
Boros has this:
Merely witnessing the fight take place doesn't prove that Boros' perception speed is 5.8379 nanoseconds. We aren't shown Boros reacting to any specific move, we aren't shown him performing an action within a specific timeframe.
All we see is that Boros was in the same room when Geryuganshoop fought Saitama and died. If I see someone getting shot by a machinegun, then I too "witnessed" something happening without necessarily having perception speed equal to that of the bullet's velocity.
Now, this isn't a case where Boros witnessed Saitama dodging Geryu's rocks and thought to himself "I'm still faster than him", which could be valid scaling. All he saw was Saitama get pelted with rocks (making no attempt to dodge them or react to them), and then Saitama one-shots Geryu. Boros being confident of fighting Saitama after that doesn't mean his perception timeframe scales from the speed of the rocks. To be confident of beating Saitama just requires him to believe that his own attacks would do more damage than Geryu's attacks.
Geryuganshoop presently has this:
Boros has this:
Merely witnessing the fight take place doesn't prove that Boros' perception speed is 5.8379 nanoseconds. We aren't shown Boros reacting to any specific move, we aren't shown him performing an action within a specific timeframe.
All we see is that Boros was in the same room when Geryuganshoop fought Saitama and died. If I see someone getting shot by a machinegun, then I too "witnessed" something happening without necessarily having perception speed equal to that of the bullet's velocity.
Now, this isn't a case where Boros witnessed Saitama dodging Geryu's rocks and thought to himself "I'm still faster than him", which could be valid scaling. All he saw was Saitama get pelted with rocks (making no attempt to dodge them or react to them), and then Saitama one-shots Geryu. Boros being confident of fighting Saitama after that doesn't mean his perception timeframe scales from the speed of the rocks. To be confident of beating Saitama just requires him to believe that his own attacks would do more damage than Geryu's attacks.
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I’d say being able to actually land a blow is equally important as being able to damage your opponent, but maybe that’s just me.
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That's fair - but again, it's not like Boros witnessing Saitama dodging Geryu's attacks. We obviously know that Saitama could do it no problem, but Boros isn't as aware as us. Even if he realized that Saitama could perceive Geryu's attacks easily, he doesn't know Saitama's true speed.
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This analogy doesn’t even work
If you saw someone catch machine gun bullets easily and throw them back even faster, then god knows you would not have even the slightest bit of confidence in being able to win. “Oh yeah this guy is ridiculously above my 2nd strongest warrior in both speed and AP, but even though I’m slower than him I could still win”
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Well that’s how confidence scaling works, he doesn’t need to know saitama’s true strength, all he knows is that he casually performed an ftl feat and decided that he would still be capable of winning the fight at that point
Of course he gets proven wrong when saitama outpaces and tanks his released form, but then he was sure that meteoric burst would be able to do the trick, which was still wrong but it’s just a confidence scaling chain which means that one must be much faster than the last
It’s a working system, I don’t see why we should change it now considering how much we use confidence scaling (and how little of a choice we really have given the fact that saitama doesn’t really have anybody scaling to him)
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I mean we literally have a stated speed, and a feat of Saitama catching it
I have no idea what the issue is here
I have no idea what the issue is here
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It's not the speed that is being disputed here.
It's how the figure for the perception timeframe has been reached.
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He’s scaling directly above someone else’s reaction time here, he himself already has a feat in his chain
