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It's good that most of the OPM fanbase agrees that: Boros > Tatsumaki, they have common sense
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Boros Discussion Thread
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I remember watching the OPM anime back before I was anywhere near powerscaling and my brain just automatically was like “thank god saitama is here or else everyone else would die very quickly”
like I thought it was so overwhelmingly obvious, even without thinking about statements and stuff, and even without the “almost a real fight” being present in the anime. It didn’t even occur in a single neuron in my brain the possibility that Tatsumaki or the S class heroes could be stronger than released Boros just because the portrayal alone and setup to the fight make it clear that he’s something special compared to everyone else. The very fact that he was set up to fight Saitama one on one alone where nobody else could see, and that their fight was responsible for all the damage that the S class thought Tatsumaki was doing, and that he took the one punch out of one punch man, the idea that Boros vs Tatsumaki was ever even considered as a possibility of a debate is kind of baffling, let alone people far weaker than her like Orochi of all things being stronger.
like I thought it was so overwhelmingly obvious, even without thinking about statements and stuff, and even without the “almost a real fight” being present in the anime. It didn’t even occur in a single neuron in my brain the possibility that Tatsumaki or the S class heroes could be stronger than released Boros just because the portrayal alone and setup to the fight make it clear that he’s something special compared to everyone else. The very fact that he was set up to fight Saitama one on one alone where nobody else could see, and that their fight was responsible for all the damage that the S class thought Tatsumaki was doing, and that he took the one punch out of one punch man, the idea that Boros vs Tatsumaki was ever even considered as a possibility of a debate is kind of baffling, let alone people far weaker than her like Orochi of all things being stronger.
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If Merged Melz damaged Bang (although not that much), I'm sure Combined Melz (which is stated to increase drastically in power) is an absolute beast AP wise.
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remember, the Melz that damaged bang was when he was one-headed, meaning it was the weakest he had been minus the flying head and split Melz
in other words, a highly weakened Melzargard still has AP around the likes of Rover
Combined Melz would at the very least be able to slam darkshine in a strength contest, and overpower bang too most likely
Combined Melz should also be able to at least do some kind of damage to Groribas level opponents as well.
in other words, a highly weakened Melzargard still has AP around the likes of Rover
Combined Melz would at the very least be able to slam darkshine in a strength contest, and overpower bang too most likely
Combined Melz should also be able to at least do some kind of damage to Groribas level opponents as well.
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We just need to see the pattern that follows when Saitama goes to fight some monster...
When Genos fought Mosquito Girl, Saitama interrupted the fight and defeated her just before she dealt the final blow to Genos/he self-destructed to kill her;
When the house of evolution kidnapping team came Genos took the second strongest guy on the team, the gorilla, while Saitama took the strongest the lion... When the Gorilla was defeated by Genos, he still believed that he would not be strong enough to fight the lion.
When Genos fights Carnage Kabuto, he is casually defeated, forcing Saitama to intervene and defeat Kabuto.
Saitama had to deal with the meteor because neither Bang, Genos or Bofoi were able to do anything.
During the Deep Sea King arc, Saitama was only forced to do something because all the other heroes had previously been defeated.
And when Boros attacks Earth, Tatsumaki neutralizes the ship, while Saitama fights Boros
On every occasion that Saitama struggles with some threat there is never someone strong enough close enough to deal with the problem.
When the invasion began Blast wasn't there to deal with the threat and that's why the script put Saitama in that meeting, because he was the only one capable of dealing with Boros around.
When Genos fought Mosquito Girl, Saitama interrupted the fight and defeated her just before she dealt the final blow to Genos/he self-destructed to kill her;
When the house of evolution kidnapping team came Genos took the second strongest guy on the team, the gorilla, while Saitama took the strongest the lion... When the Gorilla was defeated by Genos, he still believed that he would not be strong enough to fight the lion.
When Genos fights Carnage Kabuto, he is casually defeated, forcing Saitama to intervene and defeat Kabuto.
Saitama had to deal with the meteor because neither Bang, Genos or Bofoi were able to do anything.
During the Deep Sea King arc, Saitama was only forced to do something because all the other heroes had previously been defeated.
And when Boros attacks Earth, Tatsumaki neutralizes the ship, while Saitama fights Boros
On every occasion that Saitama struggles with some threat there is never someone strong enough close enough to deal with the problem.
When the invasion began Blast wasn't there to deal with the threat and that's why the script put Saitama in that meeting, because he was the only one capable of dealing with Boros around.
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Don’t forget
Saitama took on Ocean Water when Garou was getting ganged up on and slaughtered, and then took on Garou when nobody else could, and then took on cosmic garou when Blast couldn’t, and also took on tatsumaki when the fubuki group couldn’t stop her, and then took on cruel dragon when those cult dudes couldn’t
He always saves the day when everyone else present can’t
He even punched Psykorochi when Tatsumaki was about to die to her.
The only time he was unnecessary was when he fought Orochi since tatsumaki would actually beat her, but that’s a rare case.
Saitama took on Ocean Water when Garou was getting ganged up on and slaughtered, and then took on Garou when nobody else could, and then took on cosmic garou when Blast couldn’t, and also took on tatsumaki when the fubuki group couldn’t stop her, and then took on cruel dragon when those cult dudes couldn’t
He always saves the day when everyone else present can’t
He even punched Psykorochi when Tatsumaki was about to die to her.
The only time he was unnecessary was when he fought Orochi since tatsumaki would actually beat her, but that’s a rare case.
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This is because King was nearby and used his passive ability to summon Saitama while Tatsumaki was playing with Gyoro Gyoro.
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I don't agree with that, I believe he was merged because he lost marbles and ended up with a single head, but the muscles were still merged into a single body.
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well still, it had to be at least somewhat weaker than 5 headed uncombined melz, as long as we assume that every time some mass is lost that he is a bit weaker
either way it's still very impressive for him to have damaged silverfang in that state
although I just remembered the fact that Geryu is only dragon level + orochi has a statement that he beats all the generals + it would also mean that combined melzargard completely manhandles Psyrochi which is kinda like
a little weird I guess.
It probably was just an unrealistic dream after all for geryu being above tats.
either way it's still very impressive for him to have damaged silverfang in that state
although I just remembered the fact that Geryu is only dragon level + orochi has a statement that he beats all the generals + it would also mean that combined melzargard completely manhandles Psyrochi which is kinda like
a little weird I guess.
It probably was just an unrealistic dream after all for geryu being above tats.
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Why is that?
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Actually, today I thought of a way to scale Geryuganshoop way way higher than he is, although it won't be accepted here, but it's fun for offsite debating. Btw this scaling would somewhat suggest Armored Boros is above full power Tatsumaki, as he should. I'll explain it tomorrow.
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Well combined Melz should probably be at least somewhat relative to Geryuganshoop
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The scaling I was talking about:
When people use Murata's statements, they tend to fail to realize that the manga has changed what Murata thought of character's power, almost entirely. For example, when he talks about GS being relative to Orochi, that GS is actually PS in the manga (which wasn't conceived at that point in time). That way, GS turned to be manga's Multi Cell Sperm and PS turned to be manga's GS. We can further prove this by how casual GS was created (same as MCS) and how PS said a very similar dialogue to that of webcomic GS, and served the purpose of making Garou evolve further, like in the webcomic. So, Murata was actually equating Orochi's power to Platinum Sperm.
Then the following question is presented: Is the Orochi that Murata talks about in his interviews actually the same Orochi that appears later in the manga? The answer is a blatant NO. For starters, Murata reveals that the original plan was Orochi getting that teamed by the S class and then finished by Tatsumaki. This would make the S class scale to Orochi's dragons. This is actually Jet Psyrochi, which was defeated by the combined efforts of the heroes and later on finished by Tats.
But the Orochi that Murata talks about in his interviews is a different Orochi than the one he said was "the original plan". Murata is talking about a much more powerful Orochi. He stated that it would be no problem for him to take several punches from Saitama. This is contradicted by Saitama fighting Orochi and easily ripping his limbs several times (both in the canon and pre-redraw versions) and then effortlessly one shoting him. Murata also states that Orochi is included to get Tatsumaki injured so that Psykos damaging her seems more realistic. You're probably thinking that this is actually Psykorochi fusion, that is able to injure Tatsumaki. But no, Murata is talking about an even stronger Orochi. He also says, when talking about 3 Boros' generals vs Orochi, that "they'd have a very minimal chance to beat him if they plan it properly, after all, it is still unsure if Tatsumaki can beat Orochi". This has massive implications because Murata is wondering whether or not full power Tatsumaki can beat the version of Orochi he has in mind, so this Orochi might actually be stronger than her. We see that Tatsumaki easily one shots Psykorochi while not at full power (she exerted much more power against Saitama), so he wasn't talking about Psykorochi at all.
So, what does this mean for Geryuganshoop?: The 3 generals < Muarta's view of Orochi (who might be stronger than Tatsumaki). Them having a minimal chance of winning means that, while they don't fully scale to him, they must be able to damage him in some form or another. Let's look at how the generals scale in the verse. Although Groribas is said to be the top combatant, Melz and Geryuganshoop were confident that they could beat someone who one shot him, so I wouldn't say he is that strong. Then, Combined Melzalgard scales below AB Asleep Monster Garou; this is due to the fact that AB Bang sustained injuries just from deflecting Garou's blows (while using Heart Exploding Release Fist), while he easily defelcted Combined Melz's attack in base. So, the only one who has a chance at damaging this Orochi would be Geryuganshoop, while Melz and Groribas would be decoys or distractions, Melz using his marbles, splitting and regenerating, and Groribas using his acid.
It actually makes sense that he is this powerful because Murata has made a couple of statements like: "Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all. That's what I think", "so at the time I drew the Geryuganshoop’s pebble throwing, I wanted him to be more powerful than her in some way". Assuming he downscales from full power Tatsumaki, he could very well be stronger than Psykorchi.
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Good analysis
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thank you
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This could be redundant but there’s another reason why Boros narratively and logically should be able to beat Tatsumaki easily
Boros’ backstory is that he would go from planet to planet defeating their strongest warriors looking for a good fight. When saitama steps in, he says “so he’s this planet’s representative” meaning that generally Boros goes through the same formula every time with the planet’s “number one unbeatable warrior” rising up only for them to not stack up to him.
Tatsumaki is one of those characters, she is
One thing to note is that Saitama’s existence in the plot basically is that he’s a character that ignores what fate or the plot normally would be, and is a complete anomaly even to god. Considering that he also beat Orochi, and more recently, the cruel dragon who was supposedly destined to destroy humanity and stuff.
He’s the only one besides Blast who’s enough of a cosmic anomaly to stack up against Boros. Tatsumaki, who isn’t even the planet’s representative (that would be Blast or Saitama) has no real reason to be a Boros level fighter.
Also the prophecy alone could literally only apply to Blast or Saitama, meaning that it alone should technically prove Boros >> Tatsumaki
I mean she is neither the strongest hero, or the rank 1 hero, she is not in any place to be fighting the dominator of the universe who could explicitly only find a good match against one person from earth.
That’s my take on things anyways.
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Well Saitama because yknow, and also the guidebook statement saying they're the 2 who fulfill the prophecy
Blast because Boros is like "I guess prophecies were bs you're too strong" and the fact that Blast discovered God the very same year that Boros was told to go to earth to find an opponent, back when Blast was definitively the strongest person on earth, so if the prophecy wasn't about Saitama it was about Blast.
Tatsumaki is just a rando and really had no potential to be the one.
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Blast bcs he started his hunt for God 20 years ago. The same timeframe as when Boros received the news of his prophecy of "the strongest"
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and also the fact that a member of Boros' species is mysteriously and completely randomly put into Blast's team, so now suddenly Boros and Blast are very connected characters in general in the manga.
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If you look at how perfect fist Garou does against Saitama vs how Boros does against him, you can visibly see who’s very obviously stronger
I still can’t put it into fancy enough words to get it accepted here though, even though I’ve wanted to for a while now.
I still can’t put it into fancy enough words to get it accepted here though, even though I’ve wanted to for a while now.
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This wiki is extremely absurd most of the time, so I wouldn't bother.
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The wiki was extremely absurd when Boros was deemed 50 times weaker than Orochi and on the verge of becoming island level and supersonic+
But look where we are now.
But look where we are now.
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Ew a MB match not using the ftl rating
Kill this user
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Doesn’t murata talk all the time on Twitter why can’t someone just ask if CSRC can destroy the planet and end this lowball once and for all
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Because murata is a goofy ass unreliable source
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bruh doesn’t this site use multiple of his statements and how is he unreliable he’s literally the 2nd highest in command besides ONE himself
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Boros speed rating on this site is actually disgusting like we’re they even thinking when making his profile you have to deny on panel stuff to rate him that slow
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All these Boros downplayers that just do it for the sake of hating him are disgusting. When I have free time I'll do a whole thread making Boros justice in each of his forms, AP and speed. It will be the greatest article ever written on this community.
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Like you have to actually not read the manga to say boros isn’t many many times ftl
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We’re gonna have to review it all here beforehand though
without a big team effort from the boners it is a hell of a feat to get anything passed here.
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I haven't really put the pieces together yet for a more direct proof of this, but here's some stuff that would probably be notable for any future attempts at higher released Boros speed scaling
it's not a crt yet so don't bug me about it
Boros is blatantly moving at pretty much the same speed as Saitama using a normal amount of effort
even stated as having rivaling abilities and putting saitama on the defensive
which yeah, isn't really true, but it should at least mean that Saitama's typical speed and power should be relative to Boros, considering that Boros is already rivaling the normal punch AP, and during the fight we do see saitama constantly avoiding and blocking Boros' attacks, so speed wise, moving at the same speeds as him here definitely means something
the statement about average joe being unable to perceive it still means nothing at all though
Post MA arc Flashy recently had to struggle to outpace this casual saitama
not to say Boros would blitz him like this, given he was off guard there, but the first normal punch that Saitama threw at flashy left him unable to counterattack in time too, which could mean something, or could mean nothing for Boros, idk.
this normal/casual saitama is kind of blatantly and consistently flashy flash or faster level though in terms of speed, considering this stuff:
and it's also inconsistent that he would always start battles by moving as fast as whoever's attacking him and just being way slower or faster randomly
considering that he also was blatantly outsped by garou sometimes, when there was no real reason for him to be out sped on purpose.
this is all cool stuff for Boros.
it's not a crt yet so don't bug me about it
Boros is blatantly moving at pretty much the same speed as Saitama using a normal amount of effort
even stated as having rivaling abilities and putting saitama on the defensive
which yeah, isn't really true, but it should at least mean that Saitama's typical speed and power should be relative to Boros, considering that Boros is already rivaling the normal punch AP, and during the fight we do see saitama constantly avoiding and blocking Boros' attacks, so speed wise, moving at the same speeds as him here definitely means something
the statement about average joe being unable to perceive it still means nothing at all though
Post MA arc Flashy recently had to struggle to outpace this casual saitama
not to say Boros would blitz him like this, given he was off guard there, but the first normal punch that Saitama threw at flashy left him unable to counterattack in time too, which could mean something, or could mean nothing for Boros, idk.
this normal/casual saitama is kind of blatantly and consistently flashy flash or faster level though in terms of speed, considering this stuff:
and it's also inconsistent that he would always start battles by moving as fast as whoever's attacking him and just being way slower or faster randomly
considering that he also was blatantly outsped by garou sometimes, when there was no real reason for him to be out sped on purpose.
this is all cool stuff for Boros.
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I haven't really put the pieces together yet for a more direct proof of this, but here's some stuff that would probably be notable for any future attempts at higher released Boros speed scaling
it's not a crt yet so don't bug me about it
Boros is blatantly moving at pretty much the same speed as Saitama using a normal amount of effort
even stated as having rivaling abilities and putting saitama on the defensive
which yeah, isn't really true, but it should at least mean that Saitama's typical speed and power should be relative to Boros, considering that Boros is already rivaling the normal punch AP, and during the fight we do see saitama constantly avoiding and blocking Boros' attacks, so speed wise, moving at the same speeds as him here definitely means something
the statement about average joe being unable to perceive it still means nothing at all though
Post MA arc Flashy recently had to struggle to outpace this casual saitama
not to say Boros would blitz him like this, given he was off guard there, but the first normal punch that Saitama threw at flashy left him unable to counterattack in time too, which could mean something, or could mean nothing for Boros, idk.
this normal/casual saitama is kind of blatantly and consistently flashy flash or faster level though in terms of speed, considering this stuff:
and it's also inconsistent that he would always start battles by moving as fast as whoever's attacking him and just being way slower or faster randomly
considering that he also was blatantly outsped by garou sometimes, when there was no real reason for him to be out sped on purpose.
this is all cool stuff for Boros.
Boros was trading hands with semi casual Saitama meanwhile saitama can 1hand slap away wing garou punches not even trying
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well that is kinda irrelevant since it was late in the fight
Boros was trading hands with semi casual Saitama meanwhile saitama can 1hand slap away wing garou punches not even trying
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No it’s boros scaling bruh not irrelevant the fact it was such a faster form of garou just means boros scales to even faster speed
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I was here thinking about the HH+ calculation of Boros that uses a time period of 13 milliseconds because it is faster than a human can see... It would be possible to apply this time to other moments of Boros moving so that perhaps we can get a greater calculation of speed...
