BM Naruto Speed Upgrade (MASSIVE)

[BarryAllen2.0]

The Calc: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:BarryAllen2.0/MHS+_Biju_Mode_Naruto

I believe this to be the quickest way to get more responses. Please note that if you believe this to bew a legit form of calc stacking, please address the bottom portion of the post that compares it to the 2nd bullet point under NOT LEGIT CALC STACKING.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Does this need a highlight?

 

[Cropfist]

No.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Alright, I revised the calc based on a clearing up of the Calc-Stacking Page.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Still calc stacking.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

How so? The Biju Bombs aren't slower than Gai and they're scaled from Kyubi. The Revision isn't using a calc, but an established ranged that they logically fall in.

 

[PaChi2]

"The reason it's Mach 380 is because Base Gai at least scales to Pain who is calced at Mach 380."

You literally used a calc from another feat from anothwr character in order to get your own. Leading to inflated results. Calc stacking.

 

[AppleLord]

Yes, very different from mine, it seems.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

"The reason it's Mach 380 is because Base Gai at least scales to Pain who is calced at Mach 380."
You literally used a calc from another feat from anothwr character in order to get your own. Leading to inflated results. Calc stacking.

You obviously didn't read the full thing. CHECK THE BOTTOM.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

"So, what we know is that Base Gai scales to Pain who currently stands calced at Mach 380. He, via his his own statement, implied 7th gate wasn't enough to deal with the 5 Biju Bombs, that he needed the 8th gate. For starters, 7th gate Gai should be vastly faster than Pain, but that is neither here nor there. As far as the the other Biju go, they are scaled to be MHS as well from Kyuubi's Mach 449 Biju Bomb. Thus The scale the Biju Can fall in terms of their Biju Bomb Speed is Mach 380 - Mach 449, especially given Gi's statement, so for the Calc, I'll assume Mach 400 to be a fair middle value, that way this calc avoids Calc Stacking by not scaling from Pains Mach 380 calc nor Kyuubi's Mach 449 calc."

You are still scaling by assuming a "fair middle value" from both different calcs

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

"So, what we know is that Base Gai scales to Pain who currently stands calced at Mach 380. He, via his his own statement, implied 7th gate wasn't enough to deal with the 5 Biju Bombs, that he needed the 8th gate. For starters, 7th gate Gai should be vastly faster than Pain, but that is neither here nor there. As far as the the other Biju go, they are scaled to be MHS as well from Kyuubi's Mach 449 Biju Bomb. Thus The scale the Biju Can fall in terms of their Biju Bomb Speed is Mach 380 - Mach 449, especially given Gi's statement, so for the Calc, I'll assume Mach 400 to be a fair middle value, that way this calc avoids Calc Stacking by not scaling from Pains Mach 380 calc nor Kyuubi's Mach 449 calc."
You are still scaling by assuming a "fair middle value" from both different calcs.

Because there is no other way. Literally:

1st - We know Base Gai is Mach 380 in base scaling from from Pain. (This is fine)

2nd - We know the biju's scale to Mach 449 Kyubi (This is fine)

These by themselves are fine....Until we get the feat Naruto has.

3rd - Gai states he needs 8 gates to deal with the BB's. This is 8 forms above his Base that scales to Mach 380."

Without Calc stacking, We know, the BB's are anywhere from Mach 380 - 449.

Now tell me why, why can't the information we have be applied to naruto's feat when these are facts.

1.) We have a characters speed (Scaled from Another character's calc).

2.) We have same character in the same chapter the feat occurs stating they need their strongest form to deal with these projectiles.

At this point, if you claim Calc Stacking...




Calc-Stacking in this situation basically says that:

• Gai isn't Mach 380 Despite what we know to be fact

or

• Those Biju Bombs aren't at least Mach 380 based on Gai stating he needs 8 gates nor are they comparable to Kyubi's Mach 449 one despite we scale them to it.

I take Gai's statement and what we scale the Biju's to and I find a middle value. Sure, that middle value is between two calcs, but we have a character statement that puts them at least on his base level or higher (More likely) and we accept the Biju's being scaled from the higher 449 calc.

So what is it?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

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Yourself said it

"1.) We have a characters speed (Scaled from Another character's calc)."

This is calc-stacking by definition .-.

"Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats."

rlly someone should Close this

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

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I love how you just ignore everything else.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Because all you did at the calculation was scale it from 2 different calcs .-.

you should ask a calculation member i am not the best person for this

 

[RadicalMrR]

"Without Calc stacking, We know, the BB's are anywhere from Mach 380 - 449."

Calc Staking

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Gai statement puts the Biju Bombs at Mach 380 at least and we already scale the Biju's to Mach 449 Kyubi's Biju Bomb.

So....It's not like I'm scaling without any prior basis. The statement is the biggest factor. Calc Stacking can't get over that. Unless you're just gonna tell me to ignore the statement or say Gai doesn't scale to mach 380.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Again scaling like that

It's calc staking by definition

 

[RadicalMrR]

"Calc Stacking can't get over that"

Yes it can. Characters say that their faster than "character A" all the time. Why do u think there arent a bunch of calcs using this same method as u did here?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

It's still calc stacking.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Even if i said **** it and left this calc because of that (Which I'm not yet), do you not see how Calc Stacking makes no sense in this situation?

Yes or no, you are telling me to ignore character statements and scalings we already accept in relation to this feat?

How about you give me another example in which something similar to this was disregarded based on calc-stacking. If I'm correct, I have yet come across a calc on this wiki in which you all just disregard a character's statement after accepting their scaling.

 

[RadicalMrR]

You'll find a bunch of calc using staments in them, just not any attempting to use another calc as well.

If Character A says "Im faster than sound" (something with a set speed IRL) then it can be used for calcs like this.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

It's still calc stacking.

Ok...so what if I use the speed of lightning? Based on your calc with Pain and scaling characters to him and the Kyubi calc, we know they're faster than lightning.

If I use Lightning Speed as A Low End similar to how you guys are using Terminal Velocity for SK palace distance, would that escape this Calc-Stacking claims?

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

No, you'd be just making a wanky assumption.

Using the terminal velocity had some logical reasons behind it and it was a safe low end.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

How would that be a wanky assumption? That makes no sense.

• Gai scales to Pain who is calced at Mach 380 (YOUR CALC)

• Kyubi's Biju Bomb is Mach 449 (ACCEPTED ON THIS WIKI)

• Average speed of lightning is Mach 286 (On this Wiki it's Mach 1282)

We know they are faster than Mach 286 Lightning at least, so If I'm trying to avoid Calc-Stacking, how is using Lightning Speed a wanky assumption for a low end?

Links:

http://www.maine.gov/mema/prepare/prep_display.shtml?163524

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lightning_Dodging_Feats

 

[Anonimoe7875]

"Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats."

We can't scale results from another calculatio

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

@Anonimoe

Ok. I'll can that argument of mine. Right now I'm focused on using Lightning Speed as a Low end considering They characters in question are much faster.

 

[Antvasima]

Since Gwynbleiddd, The Everlasting, and RadicalMrR do not accept this, I do not think that it can be used.

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Yeah. I'll revise it when I come up with a wat that doesn't use calc stacking, but at current, it's no good.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should I close this thread?

 

[BarryAllen2.0]

Yeah, go ahead.