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Blowback of Mister Mxyzptlk upgrade

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Long story short, Mister Mxyzptlk is High 1-C now. However, the problem with that is there are some characters who scales to him.
  • Emperor joker will stay 6D because he didn't effect the entire 11Ds of DC, but more so just up to Fourth World.
  • Strange Visitor... It is possible for him to scale, however, considering how it comes from a non canon story (correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't take place in the standard multiverse, right?) so he will be just scaled to at least 5D due to lack of developments on that Mxy. Yes, I am aware of the new retcons, but we can't just slap high 1c on every Mxy every.

Doctor Manhattan...
At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Is feared by Mister Mxyzptlk, who claims that Manhattan's abilities are far superior to his own), possibly Outerverse level with powers (It was stated that he's brimming with Connective Energy which is the opposite of Crisis Energy which was used by Perpetua to create the main Multiverse)
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Right so... We should probably find better alternatives to his low 1C stuff because Mxy wasn't at his peak back then due to the stuff with the No Space shenanigans.* So that's another reason this should be questioned. The main reason is... A lot of low 1c of DC comes from this statement, we need to start looking at better alternatives. This isn't to say statements can't be used, but you have to realise, at least one of those guys who had his power should have low 1c feats, no?

* Basically, no space nulls his powers and he was trapped there for a loooong time. When he came back, he wasn't at full power for a while. And as he was stuck as Clark, it was implied that his power didn't restore as quickly? And also cause he wanted to stay low and away from the sensors of Jor El.


So, I want to discuss what sort of notes we should put on their files. And how we should change Manhattan's tier.

On top of that, I wanted to propose scaling rules for Mxy;
  • People can only scale to his High 1-C tier if they fight him in a prolonged battle, defeat him continuously or if they are considered equals via feats and statements.
  • If there is a possible scaling, they should be scaled to the feats shown in that comic rather than mxy's high 1-C. So we need to evaluate it closely because Mxy can control his power output.
  • I will think of some more later
 
Wait when did he become straight up High 1-C? I thought that was going to be a possibly rating?
 
We had a recent CRT for the character, although didn't I invite you to participate in it?
 
Antvasima said:
We had a recent CRT for the character, although didn't I invite you to participate in it
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You did. But when I was there the justification was completely different and Myx's top end was 10D not 11D.

I'm asking where the 11-Dimensional statemen comes from.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
You did. But when I was there the justification was completely different and Myx's top end was 10D not 11D.

I'm asking where the 11-Dimensional statemen comes from.
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Morrison Map and existing throughout the whole of that 11d multiverse.

I am sorry, but we were waiting there for almost a week waiting for input but neither you nor firestorm bothered despite tagging you multiple times.
 
Confluctor said:
Morrison Map and existing throughout the whole of that 11d multiverse.
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What scan is being used for the 11D justification? That's what I'm asking.

Confluctor said:
I am sorry, but we were waiting there for almost a week waiting for input but neither you nor firestorm bothered despite tagging you multiple times.
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That's completely fine. No one person should hold up a CRT; I'm just asking for clarification regarding the tier as the current justification doesn't really cover it in my view.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
What scan is being used for the 11D justification? That's what I'm asking.


That's completely fine. No one person should hold up a CRT; I'm just asking for clarification regarding the tier as the current justification doesn't really cover it in my view.
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Its already on his file. If you can't access it rn, I will send it later. Just a bit busy rn
 
Oh because Morrison map - including sphere of gods and other realms - is accepted as a 11d construct. So essentially, everything beneath sixth dimension is 11d and Mxy scale to those 11ds.

I can add a note about that if that's a problem.
 
Pretty sure an 11d multiverse - with higher infinities - is... Well high 1c. But I will find the thread or something where I saw it (for DC). Although it might take a bit of time
 
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Pretty sure an 11d multiverse
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The issue is that nothing in his page states this.

It's based off of Morrison's cosmology, but someone not intimately familiar with DC would have zero idea what that means. A blog would need to be linked with a clear cosmology explanation if a simple "Is 11-D" scan doesn't exist.
 
I can add those scans to it later this week. I was planning on doing so already anyway.


But what do you think about the rest? Manhattan, for example
 
There is technically another way to scale Dr. Manhattan above Mr. Mxyzptlk though it can be a bit questionable. It starts with this scan in which the Anti Monitor says "Yes... power unlike anything I've felt before". He says this when he's transforming into the Ultra-Monitor. This implies the Ultra-Monitor was the strongest he's ever been to that day. This is important because Mxy admitted to the Anti-Monitor being more powerful than him. This statement here is likely true since The Sixth Dimension was beyond Mxy's perception. Ultra Monitor should be superior since he was more powerful than AM has ever been, including when Mxy said he was less powerful than AM. This means the Ultra Monitor is superior to Mxy.

Now Perpetua initially went toe-to-toe with UM but after gaining a bit more power, UM was powerless against her. This means Diminished Perpetua scales. Dr. Manhattan should scale to Perpetua.
 
That applies to their true forms. And also it's covered by his 1A stat. We need something for 1c replacement
 
The issue is , Manhattan's feats fall flat compared to the statements we got during the build up to the doomsday clock
 
I thought that The Batman who Laughs/The Darkest Knight received Doctor Manhattan's powers, or do I misremember?
 
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I thought that The Batman who Laughs/The Darkest Knight received Doctor Manhattan's powers, or do I misremember?
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The Batman Who Laughs got the powers of a Dr. Manhattan from the Dark Multiverse. That Dr. Manhattan is a completely different entity from the main Dr. Manhattan.
 
Confluctor said:
Long story short, Mister Mxyzptlk is High 1-C now. However, the problem with that is there are some characters who scales to him.
  • Emperor joker will stay 6D because he didn't effect the entire 11Ds of DC, but more so just up to Fourth World.
  • Strange Visitor... It is possible for him to scale, however, considering how it comes from a non canon story (correct me if I am wrong, but it doesn't take place in the standard multiverse, right?) so he will be just scaled to at least 5D due to lack of developments on that Mxy. Yes, I am aware of the new retcons, but we can't just slap high 1c on every Mxy every.
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I greatly agree with this bit in particular.

Unfortunately, I didn't kept up to date with the Rebirth storyline, so can't help with the Doctor Manhattan bit.
 
Tarang123 said:
Wouldn’t perpetua and co. still be upgraded to High 1C or am I missing something?
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I think they can scale considering the Anti-Monitor said, when transforming into the Ultra-Monitor "Yes... power unlike anything I've felt before". This implies the Ultra-Monitor was more powerful than the Anti-Monitor ever was, and the same Ultra-Monitor could only be an equal to an extremely weakened Perpetua, with it being helpless once Perpetua gained a bit more strength(still in her Diminished State).

Anti-Monitor was at least once, more powerful than Mr. Mxyzptlk know? Then we can scale.
 
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Didn't the Ultra-Monitor lose due to the Anti-Monitor being a traitor and destabilising it from within?
 
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