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Actually, quite a few Digimon have the + for coincidentally, 6-B, for dwarfing 6-B status and no calc. So it's occasionally more than just the calc that puts them there.
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Bleach Revisions-- Re:Continuation
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We can't use the reason that just because some characters are labelled 'god-tier' and just because they have a new form not seen before that it justifies rating a character higher than what they should be. Those are good justifications by themselves.
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Tier 5-B has been discussed enough already, there is no need to argue something legitimate. If anything, I wanted to address the fact that Ichigo could possibly be 5-B in several forms.
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Err...No they don't.The real cal howard said:
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Because Yhwach had to kill Ichigo first, it's as if merging three realms is easier than killing a 17 to 18 year old boy, seriously Yhwach was taking more time to kill Ichigo than merging the realms
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My argument had nothing to do with Ganondorf's weakness.
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It was Low 6-B to 6-B, but I think Gywn's calc was High 6-C.
With the downgrades, I fear what will happen to Ichigo's 5-B rating.
**** Ichigo! What will happen to the troll kings 5-B?!??!?! O.O
With the downgrades, I fear what will happen to Ichigo's 5-B rating.
**** Ichigo! What will happen to the troll kings 5-B?!??!?! O.O
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The ETSB was calced at Planet level but having difficulty finding the blog.AppleLord said:
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I still would like proof that "Merging the three worlds" = Literally merging the entire three planets into one larger landmass.
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@Dark649 Fused Hollow True Shikai Ichigo was matching Yhwach and forced him to activate The "Almighty", which he specifically stated he didn't want to do. True Shikai Ichigo could easily be 5-B due to the fact he was going to be used as the replacement for Reio. Also, his Fused Hollow True Bankai, (the broken one), is obviously superior to his Incomplete/Shinigami Bankai.
One of the Databooks states Final Fusion Aizen (Monster Aizen) is a God and possibly Reio level, as Aizen's destiny was to replace him and create a new world.
Post-Dangai Ichigo overpowered that God and with the Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō, he slayed that God.
One of the Databooks states Final Fusion Aizen (Monster Aizen) is a God and possibly Reio level, as Aizen's destiny was to replace him and create a new world.
Post-Dangai Ichigo overpowered that God and with the Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō, he slayed that God.
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Pretty sure we don't use HST Databooks here.
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@Matthew Schroeder From what I know, Naruto Databooks are generally disregarded due to hyperbole and inconsistencies or whatever. Case by case is the logical way to go.
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Ichigo's, Aizen's, and Yhwh's tier is independant of Zaraki's feat. It's based off YHWH saying he would destroy/erase/merge the worlds and scaling Aizen & Ichi tot hat based off their fight and something supposedly in the new novel.
Now as to whether or not what YHWH said holds true, the actual size of the worlds, and the energy required to do so, are all consistant are anothe rmatter entirely which may require discussion.
So with that in mind the three big questions are:
How big is the Bleach verse (Rememvber world does not translate to planet)?
How much energy is required to do what YHWH said (Keeping in mind the in verse reality of the worlds being fragile and inbalance could do the same)?
Can YHwh's statement be taken seriously? That is, are their any anti-feats that suggest otherwise?
Now as to whether or not what YHWH said holds true, the actual size of the worlds, and the energy required to do so, are all consistant are anothe rmatter entirely which may require discussion.
So with that in mind the three big questions are:
How big is the Bleach verse (Rememvber world does not translate to planet)?
How much energy is required to do what YHWH said (Keeping in mind the in verse reality of the worlds being fragile and inbalance could do the same)?
Can YHwh's statement be taken seriously? That is, are their any anti-feats that suggest otherwise?
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@Dark649 The Ichigo that fought Yhwach in round 2=/=The Ichigo that fought Yhwach in round 3. Ichigo in round 3 was emanating physical reiatsu, unlike in round 2, he was clearly more powerful, for whatever reason. Probably due to his emotions and resolve.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20170321...-entry/the-day-earth-stood-still-nardo.24739/
That's Kaguya's calc
That's Kaguya's calc
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Dr.Fix That has already been discussed several times. The ratings have been solidified for a while now.
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The "Destroying / merging the three worlds" Can be interpreted in a gigantic amount of ways and yet there's little feats. And every once in a while someone tries to wank it further to 2-C.
Also there is the matter of the flow of souls through the worlds that needs to be kept in check, that the Soul King works like a lynchpin that holds something in place, but not necessarily scales to power, and the balanced of the worlds is very fragile.
Also there is the matter of the flow of souls through the worlds that needs to be kept in check, that the Soul King works like a lynchpin that holds something in place, but not necessarily scales to power, and the balanced of the worlds is very fragile.
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Can you bother answering it? More and more people have problems with the rating. You can't just dismiss it outright.Piercer of Heaven said:
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1. Same as ours. Japan and Mexico exist. Everything in the Human World is the same to ours, except for the "Reiryoku" energy. That doesn't affect the size of Earth to our knowledge. Soul Society was said to be a parallel world to the Human World.Dr.Fix said:
2. Doesn't matter. What he was doing at the end, didn't look anything like the balance of the words involving the souls. Neither was the planet shaking like when the Soul King died. He was using his reitsu, Ichigo call it that when he absorb it earlier to achieve his horn form.
3. No. We can't take him seriously. He is a physcopath.
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Even though we're literally seeing Yhwach trying to kill Ichigo and at the same time he's also trying to destroy the three worlds, So Yhwach destroying the balance of souls is out of the question
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I'm also bothered by the notion that Yhwach's ability to merge the worlds is somehow tied to his AP. When he unleashes his waves of darkness at Ichigo, Renji and Aizen in the final fight, what reason is there to think he is putting planet-level destructive power into those attacks?
Also, aren't the Bleach worlds inherently unstable with Yhwach anyway? He doesn't have to do anything / put any effort into destroying them when they are already being destroyed themselves naturally.
Also, aren't the Bleach worlds inherently unstable with Yhwach anyway? He doesn't have to do anything / put any effort into destroying them when they are already being destroyed themselves naturally.
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"2. Doesn't matter."
Of course it matters. Energy is the very reason something can be quantified in a tier.
"What he was doing at the end, didn't look anything like the balance of the words involving the souls."
Evidence?
"Neither was the planet shaking like when the Soul King died. He was using his reitsu, Ichigo call it that when he absorb it earlier to achieve his horn form"
All I see from the feat it looks less and less like a planet-level feat and more like hax which doesn't scale to AP.
"3. No. We can't take him seriously. He is a physcopath. "
So you're admitting that Yhwach's claims are unreliable?
And what Damage3245 is saying is exactly the case. Yhwach doesn't have to do anything as without the Soul King as a lynchpin the worlds become unstable and destroy themselves naturally. It has nothing to do with Yhwach's power. And before you say that the Soul King is Planet level because he is a lynchpin, he was literally sliced in half easily and being a lynchpin implies you're an essential cog to keep a system working, but you don't run the whole system by yourself.
Without the Soul King the flow of souls stops working and the worlds collapse not because the Soul King is Planet level, but because he is an important cog in the system which if removed causes to system to stop working. It's a chain-reaction domino effect.
Of course it matters. Energy is the very reason something can be quantified in a tier.
"What he was doing at the end, didn't look anything like the balance of the words involving the souls."
Evidence?
"Neither was the planet shaking like when the Soul King died. He was using his reitsu, Ichigo call it that when he absorb it earlier to achieve his horn form"
All I see from the feat it looks less and less like a planet-level feat and more like hax which doesn't scale to AP.
"3. No. We can't take him seriously. He is a physcopath. "
So you're admitting that Yhwach's claims are unreliable?
And what Damage3245 is saying is exactly the case. Yhwach doesn't have to do anything as without the Soul King as a lynchpin the worlds become unstable and destroy themselves naturally. It has nothing to do with Yhwach's power. And before you say that the Soul King is Planet level because he is a lynchpin, he was literally sliced in half easily and being a lynchpin implies you're an essential cog to keep a system working, but you don't run the whole system by yourself.
Without the Soul King the flow of souls stops working and the worlds collapse not because the Soul King is Planet level, but because he is an important cog in the system which if removed causes to system to stop working. It's a chain-reaction domino effect.
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1. Proof it's literal and not him being poetic in his language.
2. Proof he would destroy the whole reality / planet and not just surface.
3. Proof it's instant
That's the problem with statements like these. If you knew how many villains have "I will destroy this world / reality / universe" statements, you'd lose count. It's a bog standard thing.
2. Proof he would destroy the whole reality / planet and not just surface.
3. Proof it's instant
That's the problem with statements like these. If you knew how many villains have "I will destroy this world / reality / universe" statements, you'd lose count. It's a bog standard thing.
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@Applelord, the whole reason why the Soul King was created was to stabilize the flow of souls. If the flow of souls is unbalanced (as they explain multiple times) the worlds are thrown out of order and start being destroyed.
It's the whole reason why the Quincy were genocided to begin with.
Also, notice how once the Soul King was stabbed, the ground started shaking straight away? Long before Yhwach became the Soul King.
It's the whole reason why the Quincy were genocided to begin with.
Also, notice how once the Soul King was stabbed, the ground started shaking straight away? Long before Yhwach became the Soul King.
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@Damage3245 We are literally seeing Yhwach trying to kill Ichigo along with destroying the three worlds
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I see an insane man spouting nonsense.
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@Matthew Schroeder Worlds die without Reio. Yhwach stops that with his reiatsu as a corpse. Also, his endgame was to break down worlds and merge them. Ichigo would have took Reio's place if it weren't for circumstances. So, be would have done the same as Yhwach, as a corpse. Aizen fought Yhwach. Bleach Movie has a calc that puts the movement of Blanks at Small Planet level, (although, the movie does state that both planets would have been destroyed). Total energy of Blanks is calced at Large Planet level, debateable whether it scales to God Tiers.
@Damage3245 How is Yhwach using reiatsu to accomplish his goal, not applicable to AP? Yhwach is Planet level as a corpse. An actual attack from him would be at least that level. We also know Ichigo is outright superior to him.
As @AppleLord said, that's pure headcanon.
The worlds regained balance after Yhwach finished absorbing Reio.
@Damage3245 How is Yhwach using reiatsu to accomplish his goal, not applicable to AP? Yhwach is Planet level as a corpse. An actual attack from him would be at least that level. We also know Ichigo is outright superior to him.
As @AppleLord said, that's pure headcanon.
The worlds regained balance after Yhwach finished absorbing Reio.
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Again it takes more time to kill Ichigo than it takes to destroy three worlds
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