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- Thread starter LordAizenSama
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@matthewschroeder i agree because when Ichigo went Bankai Yhwach said it was fearsome(lol okay so how'd you shatter it so easily)but didn't even give two ***** about his Hollowfication. If you take his canon multipliers and base that from Kenpachi's new high end at 16x2x10x10(assuming x2 for eyepatch and giving Hollowfication x10) 3.2 petatonnes or multi-continetal, which is actually consistent with Yhwach's Vandenreich feat.
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Had he even started to merge the worlds, or was it simply something that he intended to do? In any case, merging physical and spiritual realms together counts as reality warping, and does not follow regular laws of physics.
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@Ant
I'll show scans later, but the Quincy backstory show that the worlds collapsing is a natural consequence of the flow of souls being unbalanced. So the Soul King keeps it balanced. No Soul King = No balance = Worlds collapse.
It's a chain reaction, basically.
I'll show scans later, but the Quincy backstory show that the worlds collapsing is a natural consequence of the flow of souls being unbalanced. So the Soul King keeps it balanced. No Soul King = No balance = Worlds collapse.
It's a chain reaction, basically.
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@BMWFanboy
Well, I suppose that we could change the statistics to "Likely 5-B" or "Possibly 5-B" based on that, but I again find it very unlikely that this was hyped as a genuine threat, to then find out that it was all a lie, with Yhwach lacking the power to carry it through.
Well, I suppose that we could change the statistics to "Likely 5-B" or "Possibly 5-B" based on that, but I again find it very unlikely that this was hyped as a genuine threat, to then find out that it was all a lie, with Yhwach lacking the power to carry it through.
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Oh dear.
matthew that is what happens when there is no SK. Thats not what Yhwach was doing.
matthew that is what happens when there is no SK. Thats not what Yhwach was doing.
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It wasn't that it wasn't a genuine threat, but the threat wasn't as great as it is being made out to be, according to the statements, a Hueco Mundo that isn't barren and gloomy isnt Hueco Mundo, a Soul Society that isn't rigid yet happy isn't Soul Society. The human world without fear isn't truly our world, which is what Yhwach wanted to erase and recreate, a new world without fear.
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ill post some quick scans here, im a bit busy rn so this will have to do.
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This thread is legit a pain. People are still trying to deny 5-B God Tiers.
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Mattew is confused and thinks the two Apocalyptic events are the same when they are not:
The first event was only shown to occur when the present Soul King at the time died. Yhwach's father was finally killed by Ichigo. Mimihagi was absorbed by Yhwach and thus the collapse of the world began anew until Yhwach absorbs his father's corpse and took his place. When Yhwach died the worlds didn't collapse or shake in the manga, as explain the sequel * novel his reiatsu and corpse were still holding the worlds together.
Now these 2 events are completely different base on:
Contradictions from the lore:
The world was not shaking apart when Yhwach was trying to destroy them. The current Soul King was alive. (Yhwach) From the novel, even when Ichigo kill him, his reiatsu was seal with his corpse, which was holding the worlds together and they didn't shake or collapse either.
The collapse of the balance of souls was only shown to happen only when the Soul King dies. (There's no canon proof that the current Soul King can do it willingly. Anyone who says that Yhwach's let's go of the balance is making headcanon accusations.)
Yhwach was using his own reiatsu and power. (Ichigo calls it that when he absorb it in the previous battle.)
Ichigo isn't part of the balance of souls, yet he was getting hurt by Yhwach's last attack.
During the last half of the arc, it was stated a lot of times that Yhwach was going to destroy the three worlds with his own power, and create a new one.
The existence prior to the Soul King was a state of "nothingness", there was no world waiting for Yhwach if he let go of the balance of souls.
Yhwach planned to make his own world by fusing live and death.
Yhwach already proof to have the power to move spiritual matter around, (not convert it into energy like Quincy normally do) and create stuff on a smaller scale without any effort. By small scale, I mean six cities in the sky connected with bridges. ...
Not fuse them literately. Destroy them, and then make a new one from their remains, according to the manga statements. That was the threat from the last arc that made three different races joined forces to stop his plans.
But he was killed before doing it.
Here is the scan that shows Soul Society and Earth dimension been the same size:
The first event was only shown to occur when the present Soul King at the time died. Yhwach's father was finally killed by Ichigo. Mimihagi was absorbed by Yhwach and thus the collapse of the world began anew until Yhwach absorbs his father's corpse and took his place. When Yhwach died the worlds didn't collapse or shake in the manga, as explain the sequel * novel his reiatsu and corpse were still holding the worlds together.
- World of the Living (Earth)
- Soul Society (The Afterlife)
- Hueco Mundo (The World of the Demons/Hollows)
- Muken (A pocket dimension void that stretches for Infinity)
- Dangai (Is an isolated space which is surrounded by numerous stacked-up layers of time's current, resulting in it being a place where the density of time within it to be extremely high when compared to other exterior dimensions where other dimensions reside in.)
- World of the Living (Earth)
- Soul Society (The Afterlife)
- Hueco Mundo (The World of the Demons/Hollows)
Now these 2 events are completely different base on:
Contradictions from the lore:
The world was not shaking apart when Yhwach was trying to destroy them. The current Soul King was alive. (Yhwach) From the novel, even when Ichigo kill him, his reiatsu was seal with his corpse, which was holding the worlds together and they didn't shake or collapse either.
The collapse of the balance of souls was only shown to happen only when the Soul King dies. (There's no canon proof that the current Soul King can do it willingly. Anyone who says that Yhwach's let's go of the balance is making headcanon accusations.)
Yhwach was using his own reiatsu and power. (Ichigo calls it that when he absorb it in the previous battle.)
Ichigo isn't part of the balance of souls, yet he was getting hurt by Yhwach's last attack.
During the last half of the arc, it was stated a lot of times that Yhwach was going to destroy the three worlds with his own power, and create a new one.
The existence prior to the Soul King was a state of "nothingness", there was no world waiting for Yhwach if he let go of the balance of souls.
Yhwach planned to make his own world by fusing live and death.
Yhwach already proof to have the power to move spiritual matter around, (not convert it into energy like Quincy normally do) and create stuff on a smaller scale without any effort. By small scale, I mean six cities in the sky connected with bridges. ...
Not fuse them literately. Destroy them, and then make a new one from their remains, according to the manga statements. That was the threat from the last arc that made three different races joined forces to stop his plans.
But he was killed before doing it.
Here is the scan that shows Soul Society and Earth dimension been the same size:
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Next time, choose your words carefully.Piercer of Heaven said:
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if the soul king was killed by Ichgio, wouldnt that make this ichigo 5-B ?
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@Soldier Blue Sorry about that.
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Wouldnt that be a major outlier for True Shikai ichigo
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To be fair Cant really blame him for that response. 2300 messages in and people think that the soulkings death is the event which Yhwach was causing via chain reaction. Or that Yhwach was merging the surface of the planets (lmao, w0t)
Anyway apple soloed the thread.
Anyway apple soloed the thread.
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@Shadowbokunohero No and no. Soul King's reiatsu was sealed and True Shikai Ichigo is a Soul King candidate or at least should be.
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his TS Ichigo scales from his Dangai, that would make his Dangai form then be 5-B which doesn't make sense at all.
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@Shadowbokunohero That's actually debateable if it would scale and even if it did, what doesn't make sense about it? Nothing.
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The ground was literally tearing itself apart.AppleLord said:
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a jump from Mountain level to Planet level sounds a bit outliersh to me
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Also then there's the fact that Yhwach was able to Harm the Soul king which would imply 5-B Base Yhwach.
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@Shadowbokunohero Eh? I don't know where you got Mountain level from?
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Pre Dangai Ichigo is 7-A no? did I miss something lol
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Idk why ppl keep bringing up the SK being killed by Ichigo and Yhwach. He was sealed. And imprisoned in crystal. He obviously was just a giant target. If he had his regular stats he wouldn't even need a royal guard.
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You literally said that being unable to defend yourself shouldn't lower durability before. This proves it does.
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@Shadowbokunohero Post-Dangai Ichigo scales to At least Country level, currently.
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@AppleLord
Giant post, that scan doesn't prove the Soul Society is the same size unless you genuinely believe Earth is a cube.
@LAS
Those scans don't prove that he would literally one-shot all three worlds. We went over that many times before.
Giant post, that scan doesn't prove the Soul Society is the same size unless you genuinely believe Earth is a cube.
@LAS
Those scans don't prove that he would literally one-shot all three worlds. We went over that many times before.
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It's ridiculously outlierish if there's nothing to justify it.Shadowbokunohero said:
And once again, the Soul King is literally just an important cog in a large machine, removing him from the equation is like removing the first cog from a large factory machine. It causes the machine to stop working but that doesn't mean the cog is = the whole machine.
Plus worlds collapsing into each other (Exactly how Yhwach wanted to destroy the worlds) is an atural phenomena.
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whats Yhwach's best-calculated feat?
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As ant said repeatedly we would treat this as reality warping and would result in 5-B.
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@Matthew Schroeder Universes/Dimensions can be whatever shape.
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