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Bleach - Resistance Scaling for Quincy Through Blut Vene

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Urahara Explains Blut

In this previous CRT we agreed on the Quincy As Nodt receiving resistance to Absolute Zero since he resisted it. While the wiki does not allow scaling of resistance it does work for Bleach in regards to the Quincy due to their shared defensive ability.
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Urahara Explains Blut More

The Quincy have a defensive ability called Blut Vene that amplifies their durability by explicitly pumping their Reiatsu or Reishi into the their veins.
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Ichigo and Isshin Talk About Blut

Blut Vene also works for esoteric means as it has allowed a Quincy to resist being turned to ash from extreme heat.

It's because of this that characters with more Reiatsu or a superior Blut should also scale to As Nodt's resistance. Note, only characters that we can actually prove would be superior to As Nodt can scale to this, not all Quincy are viable. If you believe one that I missed can scale, explain why with scans.

Thus I propose that the following Quincy should scale and why they should scale:

Yhwach - Obvious.

Jugram Haschwalth - Jugram was able to withstand being near Yamamoto's Bankai thanks to Blut Vene and As Nodt was easily burned and nearly killed just by Yama's Shikai. In fact, As Nodt only survived due to Bazz-B dampening the blow from Yama and an undampened blow from Yama's Shikai on a fellow Quincy easily vaporizes them.

Royd Lloyd - Just like Jugram above, Royd was able to withstand being near Yamamoto's Bankai thanks to Blut Vene and As Nodt was easily burned and nearly killed just by Yama's Shikai.

Lille Barro - A member of Yhwach's Schuttzstaffel, a group of his most elite and powerful Quincy which As Nodt was not a part of.

Askin Nakk Le Vaar - A member of Yhwach's Schuttzstaffel, a group of his most elite and powerful Quincy which As Nodt was not a part of.

Gerard Valkyrie - A member of Yhwach's Schuttzstaffel, a group of his most elite and powerful Quincy which As Nodt was not a part of.

Perninda Parnkgjas - A member of Yhwach's Schuttzstaffel, a group of his most elite and powerful Quincy which As Nodt was not a part of.

Uryu Ishida - Uryu became a member of Yhwach's Schuttzstaffel.

Ichigo Kurosaki - Ichigo shouldn't passively have this since he hasn't shown the ability to manually use his Quincy Powers properly yet. However, he still showed the ability to use Blut Vene and Ichigo has one of the largest Reiatsu pools in the series next to Yhwach and Aizen. Thus, he would have such resistance when he does use Blut Vene.

It's also possible to scale heat resistance amongst these Quincies given that Royd and Haschwalth could withstand close proximity to Yamamoto's 15 Million Degree Bankai. If I missed a resistance by a weaker Quincy, please remind me.
 
Note, only characters that we can actually prove would be superior to As Nodt can scale to this, not all Quincy are viable. If you believe one that I missed can scale, explain why with scans.

This. As long as the characters are shown to be comparable or superior they can scale.

so Im fine with mentioned characters scaling
 
As long as it's through Blut, it's quite simple and straightforward. I'm going to agree for now as well.

Not sure about Ishida though...
 
I'm also not sure about Ichigo either tbh, considering he only used Blut Vene once and then he lost his Quincy powers IIRC.
 
Ichigo recuperated his powers in the Novels. You also really can't steal a Bleach character's full Reiryoku unless you take their entire soul since the soul will always be making more Reiryoku. It's why Ichigo was able to regain his powers literally 4 times.
 
Long Post because this isse has gone on too long and several mistakes need to be addressed at once.


"In previous thread it was agreed to give As resistance to Absolute Zero . . "

True

"We can apply this to all quincy as they have the same ability: Blut"

False. While As AND Rukia were given this ability, the reason for it was not because of Blut. Rukia, as a soul reaper, does not even have Blut. As Nodt has blut, but as its a an ability one must conciously apply it requires constant evidence of being used. A lack of evidence in this case means we can't 100% guarantee he had it on.

Furthermore, even if he did have it on, we cannot prove that is what saved him. On top of that, As Nodt was never mentioned to have reached absolute zero. His actions reject the idea he ever reached AZ as well.

"Comparing AZ to heat resistance"

False. Thermal tempatures is a very simple matter of converting heat into jouls of energy and then applying that to the AP chart to find durability.

@Matthew is both an expert on Bleach and familar with thermodynamics. He rejected AZ resistance in the previous thread.

AZ on the other hand is a rejection of thermodynamics as it violates certain laws. it only exists in theory and fiction, and even in the latter case it is questionable since it fails to meet the definition.

"All quincy with betetr reiatsu scale"

False. Aside from everything pointed out above, Imade has contradicted himself. Blut vene is pumping RESHI into certain blood systems, not reiatsu. While there is a correlation between reiatsu and durability, this applies to ALL Bleach characters, seperate from the Blut techniques. Also he's made this a matter of durability which goes against the idea of a "special resistance". Durability can just be calculated, yet a resistance means some form of hax is in play.

"List of candidates"

Again there is a contradiction. @Imade is giving Uryu a pass for his rank and rank alone, but does not follow through with Ichigo who is a SWP AND has actually shown Blut. Both of these charaters are mixed-blood quincy, which also contradicts the line about pure bloods beign stronger.
 
I support Statistics amplification for quincy with blut. I'm on the fence about AZ resistance to Rukia & As Nodt but will probably support whatever Matt decides on that as its a rather controversial matter with Kubo playing with physics. I'm against AZ resistance via Blut vene because as I pointed out above it is completely false.
 
Dr. Fix, also As Nodt was immediately frozen by Rukia's Bankai despite seemingly resisting her Shikai. Did she get even more Absolute Zero there? What happened exactly?
 
I don't know why you're bringing up Rukia in this, Rukia's thread was already solved in the previous thread where she and As Nodt were already given Resistance to Absolute Zero.

I also didn't mention Statistics Amplification, so I don't know why you're bringing it up, that was a topic of the previous thread that was already resolved.

As Nodt was hit with Absolute Zero, it's why it was accepted and applied to him in the previous thread where evidence was given, It was accepted even by Matthew who you keep bringing up.

Pretty much all your issues were resolved in the previous thread that was already accepted.

What I can address is the Reiatsu and Reishi pumping.
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Urahara Explains Blut

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Ichigo and Isshin Talk About Blut

As you can see, it's both Reiatsu and Reishi that can be used to pump into their veins to increase Blut Vene.
Edit: Link to the previous thread.
 
If you want to argue based on my opinion, I was fine with it scaling to those who demonstrated Absolute Zero and tanked it.

Not to every character who survived 15 Million Celsius as opposed to Absolute Zero cold. The two ideas don't exactly correlate.
 
I wasn't scaling it to everyone who survived 15 Million Celsius. It's during that instance that we have Royd and Haschwalth mention how their Blut is keeping them from being turnt to ash by Yama's Bankai while previously Yama's Shikai easily burned and nearly killed As Nodt despite As Nodt's Blut. I'm using that instance to show how Haschwalth and Royd would be superior to As Nodt.

I mention this in the OP with scans to back it up.
 
@Damage: that is honestly a good question and one that has plagued forums since early 2014. We are never given an explanation for Rukia's bankai in the manga. For the most part, we just assume its a much faster version of her shikai with a much greater AOE. The problem being that even if she boruth As to the same state instantly (Along with the surroundings) why then did he not break out again like before?

The simplest answer goes back to judging within universe. In Bleach, everything is a matter of reiatsu. Bankai Multiples their reiatsu so Rukia essentially just hit As Nodt harder. Its a staright forward answer that works within universe, but doesn't help us much when applying to other universes and figuring out the science/AP?etc behind it.

Soldier does not even let us apply inverse multipliers liek Bankai so its a complex matter for a forum like this one. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. :-(
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I wasn't scaling it to everyone who survived 15 Million Celsius. It's during that instance that we have Royd and Haschwalth mention how their Blut is keeping them from being turnt to ash by Yama's Bankai while previously Yama's Shikai easily burned and nearly killed As Nodt despite As Nodt's Blut. I'm using that instance to show how Haschwalth and Royd would be superior to As Nodt.
I mention this in the OP with scans to back it up.
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It is possible that As Nodt had his Blut switched over to offensive purposes as he was leaping in to attack Yama, right?
 
Potentially; however, As Nodt was prone to keep Blut Vene up per his fight with Byakuya where As Nodt was only using Blut Vene in that fight. It also implies that once set on fire As Nodt never attempted to use Blut Vene if he had begun that leap with Blut Arterie.

There are other ways to label Haschwalth over As Nodt though.
 
Damage3245 said:
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It is possible that As Nodt had his Blut switched over to offensive purposes as he was leaping in to attack Yama, right?
Yes. As I pointed out above, Blut is an active ability, not passive. Each instance must be taken on a case by case basis.
 
Technically, the Shinigamis or Hollows have natural resistance to temperatures. They possess their bodies made by reishi, while the Quincies by Kishi. Pesche mentions that the sands of Hueco Mundo can not be burned, I believe that the property will stand out over Byakuya resisting touching Rukia.

NOTE: Will the Live Action profiles be made?
 
Dangai Ichigo said:
...Can someone explain it better so that I can understand it, because I read it, I still didn't get it, sorry
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Are you talking about Imade's post, Chou's, or mine?
 
Short handed so to make it extra simple:

Imade wants all quincy to get special cold resistance via Blut, at least all quincy he considers to be =>As.

I pointed out there's a lack of evidence Blut was used, let alone what saved him. Also its contradictory to argue for special resistance (Think hax) and then base application on Durability (think statistic).

I'm not sure about Chou to be honest. I think they're pointing out more characters should have it but I would like a better explanation mysefl so I won't try and explain further because that would be insulting to both of us.
 
Also its contradictory to argue for special resistance (Think hax) and then base application on Durability (think statistic).

This....except blut turns out to be some type of statistics hax..lol.
 
They are always going ovo

We should honestly just add this and be done with it. It is much faster than waiting to finish the AP revisions as its just a handful of guys who will get edited.
 
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