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Bleach: Las Noches' Size 2.0

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IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Well too bad, it was a problem. Did no one see the actual panels and how small he would make the meteor in some views?
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That's only if you scaled the meteor to a pixel scaled Wandenreich, which is not accepted. Don't see why you can't just scale the meteor to the supposed stated size of Wandenreich to get the rocks proportions.
 
What about comparing the size of that Hollow worm to the walls of Las Noches?
 
Naeblis495 said:
because we decided to use statements and kubo art and perspectives are inconsistent
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We used statements for Seireitei because Seireitei had multiple visuals putting it as being too tiny.

Does the visual with the Hollow worm next to Las Noches contradict any other visuals?
 
using pixel calc to find las noches size brought p a lot of problem depending of the panel used ( like characther that should be human sized ended up being hundreds of meter tall or something of the like)

so yes , kubo art seems to be inconsistent for las noches too ( not surprising given the size of the place)
 
I can't seem to find what the specific problem with that scan is. Is it because it doesn't follow what the statement implies about Las Noches' size?
 
It's the only scan that depicts Las Noches as small. Everything else has no size reference or makes Las Noches big, this is including all statements and visuals.
 
The OP seems to feature a single statement for Las Noches' size.

And the only visuals I've seen that indicate a large size are the 'horizon ones' where I'm pretty sure we don't even get a clear look at the horizon because of sand dunes. Not that most of the horizon shots make sense anyway since the sky of Las Noches is fake.

If the clouds can appear artifically high in the "sky", then the horizon can appear artificially distant too.
 
My bad. Which exterior visuals indicate a larger size than the one with the Bawabawa?
 
When Ichigo, Chad and Uryu first see it upon entering Hueco Mundo. They ran towards it till they were tired and it didn't visually appear any closer (at this point in the story Ichigo had a feat of fighting Urahara for 5 days straight and stated he could run straight for a week while Uryu trained 7 days straight to use the Sanrei glove).

It's confirmed in Nestle to Night (short story in Databook 3) that sneaking into Hueco Mundo and saving Orihime took several days and if we follow the events of breaking into Las Noches and then saving Orihime, that occurred in a very short timeframe (Ichigo runs into Dordoni and then immediately into Ulquiorra, saved by Orihime soon after to fight Grimmjow, encounters Nnoitra right after, has to save Orihime again after Starrk takes her, encounters Ulquiorra right after, goes towards Rukia and the others, is sent back to Karakura Town by Mayuri).

Ichigo's events inside are all back to back with no breaks, so the several days mentioned would have been them running towards it as we're given no timeframe for that and they tired out from running when we know they have multi-day endurance/stamina.

Here is the quote by the way:

Rukia envisioned the Ichigo that she had parted from in Hueco Mundo, and the one currently sleeping before her, putting both together in her mind. His hair had grown long, and it seemed like he was a bit taller. Whether unconsciously or not, his expression also seemed more mature. It had only been a few short days between the time when they sneaked into Hueco Mundo to save Orihime and the conclusion of all the fighting. (But for you, it seems like it has been a very long fight...)
 
"Few short days" could be as low as three.

But regarding the bit about them running to Las Noches, it seems possible that could just be Writer-Induced Stupidity and Kubo forgot about Ichigo's endurance. If so, it could be that them running to Las Noches and not getting closer in an unspecified amount of time is the inconsistency and not the visual of Bawabawa next to Las Noches.

Does the instance of them running to Las Noches actually provide a specific size, or just a vague "big"?

I also find the idea of them running for several days without pause to be a bit of a stretch to imagine; they don't have any food or water, and after they collapsed they only spent a couple of minutes before getting back up again. The amount of time they actually spent running is vague.
 
>"Few short days" could be as low as three.

I agree.

>But regarding the bit about them running to Las Noches, it seems possible that could just be Writer-Induced Stupidity and Kubo forgot about Ichigo's endurance.

This doesn't make sense. Ichigo has multi-day endurance, this would be the opposite of WIS.

>Does the instance of them running to Las Noches actually provide a specific size, or just a vague "big"?

Kep actually said this would give a huge size, bigger than what is being purposed here, in the first Las Noches Size CRT.

>I also find the idea of them running for several days without pause to be a bit of a stretch to imagine; they don't have any food or water, and after they collapsed they only spent a couple of minutes before getting back up again.

Damage, seriously, man...

1) We literally have proof they have multi-day endurance from feats before the SS Arc.

2) They had no food nor water in those feats.

3) Ichigo literally said already he could run 7 days straight without pause.

4) Spiritual beings replenish themselves due to the high reishi density in the atmosphere of Hueco Mundo, Uryu explained this to us right when they were tired from running.
 
^ There's also Ichigo and Ishin spending 3 months inside the Dangai without any food, water, or sleep. 3 days will be nothing.
 
> This doesn't make sense. Ichigo has multi-day endurance, this would be the opposite of WIS.

I meant that the WIS would Kubo forgetting the multi-day endurance.

> Kep actually said this would give a huge size, bigger than what is being purposed here, in the first Las Noches Size CRT.

So this could be the inconsistency instead of the visual?

> Damage, seriously, man...

I'm just trying to consider all the possibilites.

Though we could infer them running for multiple days off-screen (and then possibly travelling for multiple days on the Hollow worm's back), this certainly isn't something that is directly stated to us.
 
The fact that Kubo included that quote from Rukia would imply he remembered the multi day endurance given everything we saw in LN happened in quick succession so the days had to be them travelling to the palace.

Considering two of them have feats of at least 5 days in which they don't tire fully and are even good to go invade SS right after, the trio were definitely running for most of the week before taking that break. Add a bit more running before meeting Nel and then travelling on Bawabawa where they actually start making progress, meeting Rukia and Renji, falling under the sand, spending at least a day there, getting back out, travelling some more and finally reaching LN. These guys could have been going for a week and a half tbh. Aint that a distance lol?
 
That's not a solid distance that we could work with, it's very speculative, and as IMade said it would produce a size significantly larger than what is being proposed with Nel's statement.

Also just because they have feats of running 5 days before being completely exhausted doesn't mean they could have been running for a shorter period of time before taking a short break.
 
Nel's statement is a lowball, Damage, not a contradiction.

All she says us the nearest gate is 3 days away. I'm proposing a lowball interpretation of that statement and assuming Las Noches has 1 gate and it's on the opposite side of their position making Las Noches 6 days to walk around. Its an absolute lowball interpretation.

>Also just because they have feats of running 5 days before being completely exhausted doesn't mean they could have been running for a shorter period of time before taking a short break.

They were exhausted, this is baseless.
 
Agreed. The point was that statements place LN as enormous and far larger than the visuals show. The calc for Nel's statement is the absolute minimum LN could be as the safe assumption is that there is only two gates. It is also lowballed as it uses the speed for a walking human when Nel's main mode of transport isn't walking but travelling on Bawabawa which I have already established is as fast/faster than Ichigo and friends running.

If they can physically exert themselves far more and still feel fresh enough to invade a dimension with the intention to fight an army of trained soldiers, why would they take a break instead of rushing to save their friend who was kidnapped?
 
So are there any other exterior visuals that would contradict the shot fo Bawabawa next to it? The example of them running toward Las Noches and not appearing to get closer seems like an inference than relying on a pure visual.

The idea that they ran a few thousand kilometers towards Las Noches and only after a week or so of running that they remark that they aren't getting any closer is a huge stretch.
 
>The idea that they ran a few thousand kilometers towards Las Noches and only after a week or so of running that they remark that they aren't getting any closer is a huge stretch.

This doesn't match with anyone's words, you changed the narrative.
 
I was referencing AnonymousBlank saying that they could have been running for over a week. If that's the case then even using average running pace and assuming they took no other breaks would result in a distance of travel over two thousand kilometers.
 
Running for two days already puts it over 1000km and 1 day = 660 km. Regardless of what length of time we put them at, it can be argued to be strange that the comment comes after so long.
 
Using Ichigo doesn't line up with the building since those buildings are huge.

Also, this ground to ceiling is contradicted just by the view of Grimmjow's Desgarron, the foundation of the 5 central pillars view and even Rukia looking over part of Las Noches from Aaronniero's castle.

Plus, the internal view doesn't show how large Las Noches is from outside. When Ulquiorra scrapes off part of the roof of Las Noches it doesn't affect Las Noches' internal ceiling, so this argument is bunk.
 
The walls of Las Noches are thicc, we're shown this in the fights with the Privarron Espada and when Chad goes through several rooms fighting Gantenbainne and then punches Gantenbainne out of the last wall and into Las Noches, just that one wall was thick and he went through several and this isn't even counting that they were running for a while before even encountering the Priv Espada in their chambers.
 
Las Noches doesn't appear nearly as frequently and when it does it's always with angles that purposely conceal the larger frame, this is in opposition to the Sereitei which appears consistently and with enough angles for us to make a well-informed guess about the actual size without the need for authorial statements, this is not the case with Las Noches, where it's size is entirely given by statements from a reliable surrogate Author insert with Nel, which describes the size rather specifically oppose to some offhand comment so t using objective observation you can deduce the author is putting a heavy amount of emphasis on its size because it's important to the Narrative.

and going back to my earlier comment there's no proof in the body that debunks the statement as noted before we are never given any clear showcase of the area in its full capacity, therefore Occam's razor dictates that statement is likely true and more consistent with the actual size of Las Noches oppose to the sizes we see in the manga panels.
 
@Shadowbokunohero;

> this is in opposition to the Sereitei which appears consistently and with enough angles for us to make a well-informed guess about the actual size without the need for authorial statements

But we only use authorial statements for Seireitei's size?

> this is not the case with Las Noches, where it's size is entirely given by statements from a reliable surrogate Author insert with Nel

We do have multiple shots of Las Noches. I've posted a pretty clear shot that shows that the ceiling of Las Noches is not tens of kilometers high.

@IMade;

> Also, this ground to ceiling is contradicted just by the view of Grimmjow's Desgarron, the foundation of the 5 central pillars view and even Rukia looking over part of Las Noches from Aaronniero's castle.

Can you elaborate on these?
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
The walls of Las Noches are thicc, we're shown this in the fights with the Privarron Espada and when Chad goes through several rooms fighting Gantenbainne and then punches Gantenbainne out of the last wall and into Las Noches, just that one wall was thick and he went through several and this isn't even counting that they were running for a while before even encountering the Priv Espada in their chambers.
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Again, the ceiling is not the roof of Las Noches as well. Even if you believed that scan to depict Las Noches ceiling as low to the ground, it doesn't depict Las Noches' height.

Plus, that shot has the ceiling as flat when the roof is curved, further proof that the ceiling isn't the roof.
 
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