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(Bleach) Jugram, Royd & Yamamoto Downgrade
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Auswhalen instantly killed Base Robert. Volstanding Robert was the one that fought on par with Shunsui for extended periods of time. Lille fought with Shunsui in Base form for a while.
The only known scaling for the normal Sternritters goes something like this according to their own feats and statements.
Bazz-B ~ Litotto > Pepe > Gigi > Meninas > Nanana > Robert ~ Candice
Bazz-B managed to survive being hit directly by Auswhalen and was mostly fine plus he was constantly shown to be one of the stronger Sternritters which should make him comparable to Litotto. Liltotto killed Pepe and said both her and Gigi are stronger than Meninas. Pepe said his love was stronger than Gigi's zombie. Meninas claims both her and Liltotto are stronger than Candice, Nanana, and Robert. Nanana can survive the Auswhalen which killed Robert and still go on to fight. Candice was also stated to have been killed by the Auswhalen in the novel. Still she should at the very least be comparable to Robert.
The only known scaling for the normal Sternritters goes something like this according to their own feats and statements.
Bazz-B ~ Litotto > Pepe > Gigi > Meninas > Nanana > Robert ~ Candice
Bazz-B managed to survive being hit directly by Auswhalen and was mostly fine plus he was constantly shown to be one of the stronger Sternritters which should make him comparable to Litotto. Liltotto killed Pepe and said both her and Gigi are stronger than Meninas. Pepe said his love was stronger than Gigi's zombie. Meninas claims both her and Liltotto are stronger than Candice, Nanana, and Robert. Nanana can survive the Auswhalen which killed Robert and still go on to fight. Candice was also stated to have been killed by the Auswhalen in the novel. Still she should at the very least be comparable to Robert.
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Oh right Pepe did say his love is stronger than Gigi's zombie. Though I'm not entirely sure if that's because his love is more hax than Gigi's zombie or because he's stronger than Gigi. Though he did pierce Base Byakuya's shoulder with his love rope in Volstanding. And going by the novel Post-Royal Guard Training Base/Shikai Byakuya is comparable to TYBW Base Yoruichi, Base/Shikai Tokinada, and Base/Shikai Shunsui.
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Other than Askin and Gerard the other two elite sternritters don't have much AP or durability feats in Base form since they mostly fight with hax. Lille was able to keep up with Shunsui in speed and he claims to be the closest to god due to being the first person Yhwach gave a shrift to but that's about it. Pernida managed to survive two hits from Base Kenpachi w/ eyepatch although both times he managed to hit Kenpachi with his nerves first which might've weakened the swing. He also managed to destroy Ashisogi Jizo but that's not really impressive since Mayuri isn't even a high tier in terms of AP.
Base Gerard on the other hand seemed to have injured Post-Royal Guard Shikai Renji offscreen. Base Askin tanked Shunko attacks from both Yoruichi and Yushiro and also injured both of them.
Base Gerard on the other hand seemed to have injured Post-Royal Guard Shikai Renji offscreen. Base Askin tanked Shunko attacks from both Yoruichi and Yushiro and also injured both of them.
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We have seen Lille Barro shoot Quincy Arrows and X-Axis from the same riffle to confuse his opponents. When we see a light coming from the riffle is a bullet arrow when nothing is shown is X-Axis penetrating the target without shooting anything.PaChi2 said:
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Can i get a link of novel that states those about Gremmy please?AppleLord said:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/9kzx8q/3rd_portion_of_cant_fear_your_own_world_ii_part/
"Gremmy Thomeaux. That was the name of the boy who was known as the strongest member of the Sternritter army. It was said that no one could win against him, with the exception of Yhwach. The body he used was that of a young boy, but the real 'container' had neither age nor gender. That was because he was, in reality, just a brain within a jar. The body of the boy was just something that was 'imagined'. Such was the ability of the one who was given the Schrift 'V', the Visionary. This ability was God-like, to transform mere imagination into reality. Even objects like meteorites could be imagined into existence. In the end, Gremmy had lost to Kenpachi as he had imagined a body for himself that was unable to contain strength matching Kenpachi's; rather, such enormous strength could be contained by no one other than Kenpachi himself. As a result, his body collapsed and he had wished to no longer imagine anything anymore. And thus, the brain stopped functioning."
"Gremmy Thomeaux. That was the name of the boy who was known as the strongest member of the Sternritter army. It was said that no one could win against him, with the exception of Yhwach. The body he used was that of a young boy, but the real 'container' had neither age nor gender. That was because he was, in reality, just a brain within a jar. The body of the boy was just something that was 'imagined'. Such was the ability of the one who was given the Schrift 'V', the Visionary. This ability was God-like, to transform mere imagination into reality. Even objects like meteorites could be imagined into existence. In the end, Gremmy had lost to Kenpachi as he had imagined a body for himself that was unable to contain strength matching Kenpachi's; rather, such enormous strength could be contained by no one other than Kenpachi himself. As a result, his body collapsed and he had wished to no longer imagine anything anymore. And thus, the brain stopped functioning."
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Thanks! I have always said that Gremmy was the strongest Quincy out there except for Yhwach and his powers were near limitless, but i was always said it would be NLF.
By the way i didn't see anything about being Soul King's brain, where does it say that?
By the way i didn't see anything about being Soul King's brain, where does it say that?
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The thing about him being the Soul King's brain is more implied rather than stated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/a4a2l5/cant_fear_your_own_world_iii_pages_1224_translated/
"Ubuginu Hikone had no memory of the moment he gained his own sense of self. There were no memories from his childhood, none from his time as a human being or a Shinigami. Hikone was a being who was distorted; formed by weaving together several fragments from various existences. Within his soul were Hollows, Quincies from a thousand years ago; on top of that there were a collection of stillborn foetus' konpaku, collected by Tsunayashiro Tokinada from the World of the Living. Every kind of konpaku were brought together around the 'fragment of the Rei-o'; but initially, they all seemed to fall apart and lost their form. Everything was miraculously held together, however, because of a 'piece' of the Rei-o, also collected by Tsunayashiro Tokinada."
Here it's stated that Hikone is made from a piece of the Soul King. And in the previous volume Hikone said he was made from Gremmy's brain.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/a4a2l5/cant_fear_your_own_world_iii_pages_1224_translated/
"Ubuginu Hikone had no memory of the moment he gained his own sense of self. There were no memories from his childhood, none from his time as a human being or a Shinigami. Hikone was a being who was distorted; formed by weaving together several fragments from various existences. Within his soul were Hollows, Quincies from a thousand years ago; on top of that there were a collection of stillborn foetus' konpaku, collected by Tsunayashiro Tokinada from the World of the Living. Every kind of konpaku were brought together around the 'fragment of the Rei-o'; but initially, they all seemed to fall apart and lost their form. Everything was miraculously held together, however, because of a 'piece' of the Rei-o, also collected by Tsunayashiro Tokinada."
Here it's stated that Hikone is made from a piece of the Soul King. And in the previous volume Hikone said he was made from Gremmy's brain.
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Thanks! Well everybody thought that it should have been SK's Brain when Gerard and Pernida was introduced, me included. This confirms it then.
By the way, is Soul King being Universe Level true? I have been told that he seperated the universe that Yhwach was trying to create. I didn't read all novels so i dont know properly. Can you enlighten me ?
By the way, is Soul King being Universe Level true? I have been told that he seperated the universe that Yhwach was trying to create. I didn't read all novels so i dont know properly. Can you enlighten me ?
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Well I'm not exactly sure if this is considered 5-B, 3-A, or whatever so you're gonna have to read it and decide for yourself. https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/ak9t1w/cant_fear_your_own_world_iii_pages_209217/
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What about Jugram with the Almighty?
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Base Yhwach stole Yamamoto's Bankai but we have no idea how strong is Yhwach after becoming stronger from a 1,000 years ago. Plus adding that Yamamoto had become weaker so having the same tier makes zero sense from the context given in the story.
Yhwach was restoring the power that he lost for a whole 999 years..nothing to suggest that he became stronger than before
Yhwach was restoring the power that he lost for a whole 999 years..nothing to suggest that he became stronger than before
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My hot take, it's been a while since I read Bleach but lemme give it a shot
SK Yhwach>Allmighty Yhwach>Ichibei>Bankai Yamamoto>Base Yhwach>Shikai Zaraki>Gremmy>Shikai Yamamoto>Base Aizen
Almighty Jugram is probably pretty up there although still weaker than Almighty Yhwach.
SK Yhwach>Allmighty Yhwach>Ichibei>Bankai Yamamoto>Base Yhwach>Shikai Zaraki>Gremmy>Shikai Yamamoto>Base Aizen
Almighty Jugram is probably pretty up there although still weaker than Almighty Yhwach.
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What is this bit based on?:
Ichibei > Bankai Yamamoto
Ichibei > Bankai Yamamoto
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Hax probably.Damage3245 said:
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The narrative. Ichibei is one of the oldest Shinigami and is the head of the strongest squad whose collective power is supposed to surpass the entire Gotei 13. He's also a war potential.
Iirc there was even a point where base Yhwach couldn't feel his reiatsu.
Iirc there was even a point where base Yhwach couldn't feel his reiatsu.
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> Ichibei is one of the oldest Shinigami and is the head of the strongest squad whose collective power is supposed to surpass the entire Gotei 13.
For all we know Bankai Yamamoto is greater than the majority of the Gotei 13 combined.
The narrative doesn't state Ichibei > Bankai Yamamoto in terms of AP.
> He's also a war potential.
That's like saying Urahara's AP is greater than Bankai Yamamoto.
For all we know Bankai Yamamoto is greater than the majority of the Gotei 13 combined.
The narrative doesn't state Ichibei > Bankai Yamamoto in terms of AP.
> He's also a war potential.
That's like saying Urahara's AP is greater than Bankai Yamamoto.
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Are you arguing Yama is above Ichibe? I'm not getting the point you're trying to make.
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Not really, I'm just saying that basing the scaling chain of Ichibei > Bankai Yamamoto because Ichibei is older isn't proof that Ichibei's AP is superior to Bankai Yama's AP.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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Not really, I'm just saying that basing the scaling chain of Ichibei > Bankai Yamamoto because Ichibei is older isn't proof that Ichibei's AP is superior to Bankai Yama's AP.
Ichibei is the leader of all the Shinigami for a reason if he only had Hax on his side it would be a NLF to say that he could beat Yamamoto who lost to Base Yhwach who was the only person with enough power to steal his Bankai while Ichibei make a mock out of that same Yhwach.
Ichibei is the leader of all the Shinigami for a reason if he only had Hax on his side it would be a NLF to say that he could beat Yamamoto who lost to Base Yhwach who was the only person with enough power to steal his Bankai while Ichibei make a mock out of that same Yhwach.
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Its pretty clear that Ichibe is above Yama, compare their fights with Yhwach where Yama got completely blitzed and obliterated while Ichibe slapped Yhwach around no diff. In the event someone argues that Yhwach got his AP halved, that just proves the point even more as half your AP wont explain the frankly absurd difference between them unless you are already considerably weaker.
Ichibe > Yhwach > revived SS > rest of Squad Zero >= Gotei 13 (which includes Yama)
Ichibe > Yhwach > revived SS > rest of Squad Zero >= Gotei 13 (which includes Yama)
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Base Yhwach is above Gremmy is not that he should be he is above Gremmy Ichibei stomped that Yhwach is a pretty easy scaling
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Where does it say that it is Base Yhwach that is above Gremmy ?The mysterious man said:
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How do we know Yhwach was in base when he did that? Is there some context for the sealing?AppleLord said:
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Because the flashback of him getting release was before he went to fight Kenpachi in the manga. Yhwach had the Almighty 1,000 years ago but as we agreed earlier Almighty doesn't increase Yhwach's stats. I don't think we have context on the seal beside it was "a cage" but The Jail doesn't seal Quincy, so that couldn't be it.Damage3245 said:
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If Gremmy is SK's Brain then he would also have been 100.000.000 years old and that statement of Gremmy being strongest except for Yhwach could have been made at some time at past when Yhwach had Almighty. No one objects that Almighty Yhwach > Gremmy but what can Base Yhwach even do to Gremmy ?AppleLord said:
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