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Bleach Calc issues
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Chad stomps both those virgins ^^
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Only Bluedash's calculations were said to be purposedly inflated. As far as raw math goes, the others are all okay. Assumption-wise, maybe so, maybe not. That needs to be discussed.
And the amount of hostility here is worrisome. Can't we all just get along?
And the amount of hostility here is worrisome. Can't we all just get along?
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Better to close this
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Wait whilst we're on this i'm confused about something in the Yhwach moon tier feat
Did he lift up all the buildings in Seiretei or did he lift up all of seiretei off the ground with the buildings? Because if it's the former then don't we need to multiply by the space in between the buildings and then by the hollowness of the buildings? (If i remember correctly this was how the OBD did it, they assumed 80% of seiretei was composed of buildings or something like that and it was 80% hollow too?)
Just a question, the OBD calc for the feat is here
https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/bleach-the-blood-war-detergent-parable-part-four.31139/
Did he lift up all the buildings in Seiretei or did he lift up all of seiretei off the ground with the buildings? Because if it's the former then don't we need to multiply by the space in between the buildings and then by the hollowness of the buildings? (If i remember correctly this was how the OBD did it, they assumed 80% of seiretei was composed of buildings or something like that and it was 80% hollow too?)
Just a question, the OBD calc for the feat is here
https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/bleach-the-blood-war-detergent-parable-part-four.31139/
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^^ Yhwach lifted the Quincy city, Seireitei was in the shadow dimension. Given that it was the Quincy's homeland for over a 1,000 years it shouldn't be empty or Hollow. Before the war started we see a chapter with all the Quincy in their base and they have stuff in there, same after Yhwach made the other one.
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So he lifted the Wandenreich which is a city as big as Seiretei i guess? the buildings would still be hollow for people to go inside them and i'm guessing there are roads and spaces between the buildings like Seiretei? My point standsAppleLord said:
Again i'm just asking questions before people jump to the assumption that i'm tryna lowball or debunk the feat
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Yeah Taka is right. A city would be mostly composed of hollow-ish structures.
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Well the mass should be reduced due to the hollowness of the buildings themselves, if it's a city with roads and spaces in between the buildings then that needs to be taken into account when calculating the volume moved
The accepted result was 4.99744E+16 m3
OBD used 4/5th hollowness and assumed 80% of the city was buildings which is far more than normal cities but nevertheless
4.99744E+16 x 0.8 = 3.997952e+16 m^3
3.997952e+16 x 0.2 = 7.995904e+15 m^3
7.995904e+15 x 2.4 (density) = 1.919017e+16 kg
Using the speed of 1481760 m/s for the accepted end
KE = 2.10670904605513e+28 joules or 5.035 Exatons of TNT (Multi Continental)
Do with that what you guys want, i'm not arguing for or against it i'm just putting it there
The accepted result was 4.99744E+16 m3
OBD used 4/5th hollowness and assumed 80% of the city was buildings which is far more than normal cities but nevertheless
4.99744E+16 x 0.8 = 3.997952e+16 m^3
3.997952e+16 x 0.2 = 7.995904e+15 m^3
7.995904e+15 x 2.4 (density) = 1.919017e+16 kg
Using the speed of 1481760 m/s for the accepted end
KE = 2.10670904605513e+28 joules or 5.035 Exatons of TNT (Multi Continental)
Do with that what you guys want, i'm not arguing for or against it i'm just putting it there
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The hollowness of the buildings is quite irrelevant considering what is being calculated is Yhwach lifting the city's foundations.
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That panel does make it look like what Yhwach lifted up was pretty tiny. Just look at the buildings on the edge of it compared to the whole thing...
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That's because it was drawn to look like a picture taken from far away
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If we were to go that route and assume the tallest building seen in the shot is a skyscraper of 100m the Wandenreich would be roughly the size of Paris, which is completely impossible, considering it has territories that are at least the size of large cities in the north, west, south, etc..
The image appears to be within a forced perspective, to add to the point.
The image appears to be within a forced perspective, to add to the point.
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Unless the size of the new Soul King Palace doesn't reflect the actual size of the Wandenreich itself. He did reshape all the material he brought up after all to fit the five-pointed star shape of the Soul King palace.
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There's also this thing in the middle of the Wandenreich , which is not seen at all in this sca .
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That didn't exist in the time of the latter scan. It was built after the Shinigami got to the Soul King palace.Ovy7 said:
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Even if you assume Seireitei is only as large as the 32km figure that was calculated in the past, Yhwach needs to have somehow destroyed 80% of the Vandenreich in order to reshape it to the eight or so kilometers people are implying that scan shows, which is completely out of line with the series itself.
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@Damage3245 You're right, I've forgotten about that. Though that thing is very big compared to what is shown in the scans, yet Kenny, Toshiro, Byakuya, and Gerard had a lot of space to fight around it.
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Perhaps Yhwach didn't lift the foundations of the Wandenreich, but instead reshaped the spare buildings he had into the foundations of the Soul King Palace?
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^That is false
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I'm siding with kep on the lifting feat
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Based on what?Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
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Btw, Yhwach was lifting the streets and ground from under the Shinigami when he pulled the Wandenreich up. It makes sense since the ground for both Seireitei and Wandenreich were different. Plus the fact that Wandenreich was it's own "country" per Bazz-B and Haschwalth's flashback, so pulling the ground with it makese sense.
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Oh, boy here it comes:
"The show presented lots of issues as fans warred over whether its filler arcs could be thought of as canon. For the manga, readers still squabble over whether its spin-off series and novelizations can be considered canon, and it seems an answer has been given on that front."
"Yes. The answer is yes, just so you know."
Source: http://comicbook.com/anime/amp/2018...pin-offs-tite-kubo/?__twitter_impression=true
Source of interview: https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/93dxdo/snippet_from_a_recent_four_part_interview_with/
I guess we can use the anime to get the feats instead. Dragon Ball Super, and Boruto do it so why not Bleach after there is confirmation of Kubo working with the anime staff?
"The show presented lots of issues as fans warred over whether its filler arcs could be thought of as canon. For the manga, readers still squabble over whether its spin-off series and novelizations can be considered canon, and it seems an answer has been given on that front."
"Yes. The answer is yes, just so you know."
Source: http://comicbook.com/anime/amp/2018...pin-offs-tite-kubo/?__twitter_impression=true
Source of interview: https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/93dxdo/snippet_from_a_recent_four_part_interview_with/
I guess we can use the anime to get the feats instead. Dragon Ball Super, and Boruto do it so why not Bleach after there is confirmation of Kubo working with the anime staff?
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the anime for boruto was stated to be canon as well as the manga. THats why we use it. I dont know about all the other stuff and DBS but if Kubo helps with the anime only arcs i dont see why not
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Oh boy
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I pretty sure we already knew some filler arcs were canon?
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this is cool cause i did not know the filler was canon man
my favorite arc out of all of bleach would be when the Bankai started fightign back and the guy with green hair showed up. He showed some impressive feats. Hope he gets a profile and Ichigo with his broken bankai can use getsuga without slicing and just use the handle of the sword to attack
my favorite arc out of all of bleach would be when the Bankai started fightign back and the guy with green hair showed up. He showed some impressive feats. Hope he gets a profile and Ichigo with his broken bankai can use getsuga without slicing and just use the handle of the sword to attack
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Didn't Toriyama actually work on GT despite confirming later on that it's not canon?
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^He made the designs and that's all
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I don't think any battleboard thought that.Matthew Schroeder said:
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If we do accept the fillers as canon and what not, then we need that certain getsuga tensho to be calced.
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Hey ? Uh if the Wandereich is mirroring the Sereitei, what happens to the Muken ? Since it's beneath the Sereitei, if the Wandenreich has something like it...
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