Bleach Bankai General Discussion Thread 22

[Naeblis495]

The real power of the Sokyoku is kinda unknow . 1 million zanpakuto is too vague .

 

[AppleLord]

1 million fodder zanpakutous that are not even wall level.

 

[OrangeberrySama]

Make of that what you will.

 

[Naeblis495]

clearly an hyperbole .

 

[LordWhis]

Do Silver arrows negate durability ?

Shouldn't EOS Ishida be 5B for having the strength to loose an arrow with so much force that it pierced yhwach's skin ?


Many 5b attacks have failed to damage Yhwach so Ishida's arrow piercing him is no small deal and merits a 5B rating, or at least possibly 5B.

While the arrow did negate yhwach's powers, it only did that when implanted into his heart, when it pierced Yhwach it was just a regular arrow with no special properties so that means that Uryu was strong enough to pierce Yhwach with an arrow. Maybe, a special EOS ke for Ishida.

I also don't necessarily think it was an outlier since Yhwach held Ishida in high regard and believed he had potential rivalling his own.

 

[Zezu1995]

Do Silver arrows negate durability ?
Shouldn't EOS Ishida be 5B for having the strength to loose an arrow with so much force that it pierced yhwach's skin ?


Many 5b attacks have failed to damage Yhwach so Ishida's arrow piercing him is no small deal and merits a 5B rating, or at least possibly 5B.

While the arrow did negate yhwach's powers, it only did that when implanted into his heart, when it pierced Yhwach it was just a regular arrow with no special properties so that means that Uryu was strong enough to pierce Yhwach with an arrow. Maybe, a special EOS ke for Ishida.

I also don't necessarily think it was an outlier since Yhwach held Ishida in high regard and believed he had potential rivalling his own.

no cuz the arrow was literally made to affect juha and due to stagnation he couldnt see it with almighty

 

[Zezu1995]

anyways i wanna know why kenpachi is still country when he has a 2x seal and 5x-10x bankai thats clearly alot higher than country

 

[Naeblis495]

I'm pretty sure Yhwach was incorporeal at that point , so i don't think ishida being able to pierce him is an AP feat .

 

[W0NDER3X]

Pretty sure Uryu couldve shot himself (although idk if thats how it works) and pierced Yhwach via Antithesis, which also ignores durability.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Would have Ichigo killed Yhwach if he didnt wake up?

 

[Naeblis495]

dunno , The Balance would probably negged him still .

 

[M11UTD]

Pretty sure Uryu couldve shot himself (although idk if thats how it works) and pierced Yhwach via Antithesis, which also ignores durability.

If he do that the arrow would've negated his ability.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Just found this and its actually correct lmao

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Still remember that guy arguing for GER.

 

[LordWhis]

Isn't GER sort of similar to the Antithesis which is supposedly able to counter the Almighty ?

 

[Naeblis495]

If he do that the arrow would've negated his ability.

not quite , the arrow only work on the one who used Auswhalen :

https://*****************/read-online/Bleach-chapter-684-page-11.html

so the arrow wouldn't had done anything to any other quincy beside physical damage

 

[LordWhis]

Should Ichibe scale to 5B by scaling to Almighty Yhwach or at least by scaling to Mimihagi who was much weaker than Yhwach but still 5B ?

He also has incredible hype as 1 of the top dogs of the verse.

 

[LordWhis]

Also shouldn't all the low 7c+s apart from arc 1 Ichigo be low 7B ? Since we know for a fact that Renji was 5 times as strong as him. Heck they might be low 7b+ depending on Ichigo's exact AP

Also Mayuri should be 7A and higher with his Bankai. Why is he so much weaker than the other captains, he should be Toshiro level at the least.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Renji scales to Ikkaku who has the 7-C+ feat. BOS Ichigo and sealed Renji scales to 20% of that. Speaking of Renji though, he needs a bost Bankai training keywhere he is 7-A since Hihio let him pressure Shikai Byakuya. CaptainShikais were 520 megatons or so which means he is barely baseline in base

 

[LordWhis]

Then arc 1 Ichigo should be downgraded.

Should Unohana be low 6B+ scaling from Zaraki ?

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Should Unohana be low 6B+ scaling from Zaraki ?

This has been brought up time and again.

Zaraki was subconsciously holding back against her in order to have a worthy opponent he could enjoy himself against. As soon as he broke his mental barrier, he proceeded to one-shot Unohana.

As much as I would like to see Low 6-B Unohana (and Kyoraku by extension) this is a nope.

 

[LordWhis]

Why should Kyoraku scale to Unohana, she is stronger than him.

Besides, his bankai is so hax he could beat most of the verse anyway.

 

[Zezu1995]

Should Unohana be low 6B+ scaling from Zaraki ?

This has been brought up time and again.
Zaraki was subconsciously holding back against her in order to have a worthy opponent he could enjoy himself against. As soon as he broke his mental barrier, he proceeded to one-shot Unohana.

As much as I would like to see Low 6-B Unohana (and Kyoraku by extension) this is a nope.

this is false you see unohandas job was to make sure he gets pass his mental block after that she didnt need to fight him so she LET HIM kill her... not sure why yall think he was stronger lmao that girl can heal a person back to life why wouldnt she be able to do it on herself

 

[Naeblis495]

Unohana said that as a CHILD , Zaraki was already stronger than her . She only won back then because zaraki put on his first mental barriers in that very fight .

 

[Zezu1995]

so once again back my comment... her job was to break his mental block which she did .

 

[Naeblis495]

Zaraki was already stronger as a child , so adult zaraki without mental barriers would rekt her even more , at least AP wise .

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Then arc 1 Ichigo should be downgraded.

Why would he be downgraded? He is rated as 7-C. A fifth of 66 kilotons (7-C) is a bit over 13 kilotons (still 7-C). He is also using Rukia's power which is enough to have gotten her a high seat if not for Byakuya telling Ukitake not to, high end seated officers being rated as 7-C. As seen in Hisagi vs Findorr, 3rd seats are strong enough to give a decent challenge to Lieutenants.

 

[LordWhis]

anyways i wanna know why kenpachi is still country when he has a 2x seal and 5x-10x bankai thats clearly alot higher than country

Byakyuya even more so since even in his Shikai form he's probably stronger than Bankai Kenny.

 

[LordWhis]

Then arc 1 Ichigo should be downgraded.

Why would he be downgraded? He is rated as 7-C. A fifth of 66 kilotons (7-C) is a bit over 13 kilotons (still 7-C). He is also using Rukia's power which is enough to have gotten her a high seat if not for Byakuya telling Ukitake not to, high end seated officers being rated as 7-C. As seen in Hisagi vs Findorr, 3rd seats are strong enough to give a decent challenge to Lieutenants.

He's 7C+ right now

 

[LordWhis]

Unohana said that as a CHILD , Zaraki was already stronger than her . She only won back then because zaraki put on his first mental barriers in that very fight .

We don't know how much stronger current unrestricted kenny is compared to his kid form.

She should somewhat scale to him for being able to fight him, It's been sometime since I read that chapter, it wasn't a total stomp once Kenny broke his barriers right ?

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

We don't know how much stronger current unrestricted kenny is compared to his kid form.

She should somewhat scale to him for being able to fight him, It's been sometime since I read that chapter, it wasn't a total stomp once Kenny broke his barriers right ?

Along with when Unohana first fought Kid Zaraki. Also she has to somewhat scale since she's the reason he even shackled himself in the first place

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

he one shoted her once he broke his walls

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Did he tho ? Or was it JUST a regular fatal blow ? I'm not sure why people think that piercing someone through the throat = You're stronger than them, it just means, hey you struck a vital part of the body that anyone can die from if they hit there

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

kinda means something in bleach becasue you can only do so if you are equal or above your enemy if you are not you cant do anything to them.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

kinda means something in bleach becasue you can only do so if you are equal or above your enemy if you are not you cant do anything to them.

No, you have to be around them not too weak in comparison since Bykuya could still harm Ichigo despite Bankai increase and Ichigo could still draw blood from Ulquiorra in their second fight despite Ichigo being the clear weaker fighter there

 

[Naeblis495]

The whole point of this fight , even tho it would probably mean the death of Unohana , a pretty good fighter and the best freacking healer in the SS , was that because zaraki returning to his full strengh would more than compensate for that loss

meaning that he is far more powerfull than unohana ever was in term of AP . Unohana have hax and regen/healing , but zaraki is clearly far far superior in AP .

 

[LordWhis]

Could Kuroda imitate the almighty ?

 

[Naeblis495]

who ?

 

[LordWhis]

The mod-soul with half black, half blond hair.


Zaraki became far superior in AP in bankai form, he doesn't necessarily have to be far superior in base

 

[Naeblis495]

Don't know who you are talking about , is it from anime filler or something ?