Bleach Bankai General Discussion 15

[Dangai_Ichigo]

maybe you needs to redo the cero calc also because I have heard that they are going with the statement to determine las Noches size right now

Yeah I think they said that too

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2914886#365

 

[The_mysterious_man]

also shouldn't Kenpachi have a new key for his novel self for one shooting Ikomikidomoe that mean current Kenpachi is stronger than Yama

 

[Peter1129]

That was before Yamamoto had a zanpakuto though. I probably should've mentioned that.

 

[The_mysterious_man]

was it stated that he didn't have a zanpakuto or implied what I remember ichibe said young Yama only

 

[Peter1129]

https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/ac9iqx/cant_fear_your_own_world_iii_pages_107135/

"When the spiritual world had still not conpletely taken its current shape; when the Shinigami had no weapons to call their ow; Menos Grande prospered within Hueco Mundo. During the dawning era of Hollows, their evolution was in a chaotic state. They evolved to the Adjuchas level. Unable to attain a humanoid form and without strong will, they continued to exist over a long period of time."

 

[AnonymousBlank]

So unlike Wonderweiss, Ikomikidomoe could catch those hands.

 

[The_mysterious_man]

but ichibe still have Ichimonji i don't think it was the case for everyone to not have zanpakuto

 

[Peter1129]

Ichibe's Ichimonji is the first evolved zanpakuto. It's not that hard to believe that he possessed a zanpakuto before everybody else.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

If I recall, didn't White said he was gonna destroy the world in the Cacao Society storyline in Brave Souls ?

 

[M11UTD]

so we really going to assume characters that can train non stop for days need 8 hours rest time?.. let alone we already giving them normal human travel speed plus the fact that they were in a hurry. And we going to act that we have the correct result for seireitei's size, I hope this's a joke.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

I mean 8 hours of sleep is good for health but usually people will actually sleep less than that

 

[W0NDER3X]

If I recall, didn't White said he was gonna destroy the world in the Cacao Society storyline in Brave Souls ?

Im not sure, all im doing is waiting till they make a seasonal's special be like him minimizing a universe and using it to attack.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

I mean it all depends on how he would destroy it, did they say something about it or was it vague ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGZa8ptOFVA

 

[HST_Master]

Im not sure, all im doing is waiting till they make a seasonal's special be like him minimizing a universe and using it to attack.

And b4 Santa Yhwach

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Im not sure, all im doing is waiting till they make a seasonal's special be like him minimizing a universe and using it to attack.

And b4 Santa Yhwach
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Nah boi, we all know Yamamoto is Santa

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Did Ichigo appeared in the Novel ?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

He's on vacation.

 

[Peter1129]

Okay I think I'm mostly finished my rough draft except for some character tiers in the novel. Now to wait for the other calcs to be made and accepted. Also I want to see if anybody else disagrees with some of the scaling and why.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M6hp7vqppgL7x1FD3RElRvM03yJ8YfbRTo5zMLndeBA

 

[AppleLord]

Orihime blocked attacks from base Ginjo and cut him.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Can the giant Menos that formed HM get a profile too? Imagine what I'd look like if it shot a cero. IIRC, cero is considered vaporization, which means the AP would be tremendous.

 

[Peter1129]

Cero Oscuras is the only one that's considered vaporization. Gran Rey Cero and normal Cero aren't.

 

[W0NDER3X]

Cero Oscuras is the only one that's considered vaporization. Gran Rey Cero and normal Cero aren't.

Oh, yeah, my bad.

 

[AppleLord]

Gran Rey Cero distortions space.

 

[USklaverei]

We have this calculation too

We also have to discuss about Kidô's.
Raiton in Naruto was accepted as a real ray because of variations in techniques and some have properties, the Hadô's in Bleach works the same way, for example the Tsuzuri Raiden, it flows through conductive material and can still immobilize a body by some seconds . Are two properties of a real ray, what do you think of this?

 

[TataHakai]

Hado has outright been stated to be different from actual lightning if i recall correctly.

 

[AppleLord]

Kido and Lightning in Bleach are not the same. Manga implies that Kido and Lightning are different.

 

[USklaverei]

I do not remember that, if you have a sweep over.

 

[TataHakai]

Kido and Lightning in Bleach are not the same. Manga implies that Kido and Lightning are different.

There we go, that's what i was remembering.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Hmm that's a pretty vague scan, considering it doesn't give us an idea of the differences besides lightning is natural and Kidô is man-made. That technique posted at least has properties of lightning.

 

[Zezu1995]

it just means its not natural lightning nothing more

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Kido and Lightning in Bleach are not the same. Manga implies that Kido and Lightning are different.

This is actually good support, Kido visually seemed no different to lightning to Ikkaku.

Nothing about this disproves Sklaveri's claim.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

it just means its not natural lightning nothing more

Basically.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

What else now ?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Working on Gremmy's meteor atm. It seems we'll be moving forward with statements finally.

This will make Las Noches recalc easier to do for the Ceros and Lanza recalcs.

We should also fix the speed scaling from Liltotto recalc.

 

[USklaverei]

Like no one else did, I did, now it's waiting for evaluation.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Bleach_-_Lanza_del_Relampago

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I think Peter is already doing some editing to profiles that scale for sure like God Tier.

 

[Peter1129]

Well crap. If Gremmy's meteor isn't at least High 6-B than the Lanza del Relampago is definitely going to be an outlier.

 

[Peter1129]

I think Peter is already doing some editing to profiles that scale for sure like God Tier.

It's actually the rough rescaling for the entire verse. And I'm pretty sure I'm done except for like three characters. I don't remember how strong CFYOW Hisagi and Post-Timeskip Nel and Harribel are so I'll fix them later after I reread CFYOW.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M6hp7vqppgL7x1FD3RElRvM03yJ8YfbRTo5zMLndeBA

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I think the novel had a statement where it states hado at least the 90th level is equal in potency to gran rey cero.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Peter

I was talking about the other peter xD