Biological Manipulation vs Matter Manipulation Resistance

[DeathNoodles]

Let's say we have character A's Biological Manipulation is used against character B, who resists Matter Manipulation.

For context:

Character A is a character that has Biological Manipulation. Their Biological Manipulation works at the Molecular level, being capable of affecting and altering their targets via changing all the molecules within the victim's body. This Biological Manipulation also involves Disease Manipulation as one of the core mechanics, as it involves the disease infecting and altering all the genetic structure of the targets (including all of the cells and molecules of the victims) at the molecular level, so the Disease Manipulation similarly works at the Molecular level. In addition, the Biological Manipulation is able to work at 2 layers above baseline, where it is able to affect other characters that possesses resistance to Molecular-level Biological Manipulation at 1 layer above baseline (so they can resist Molecular-level Biological Manipulation that affects characters with Resistance to baseline Molecular-level Biological Manipulation).

Then there is Character B, who is a character that is able to resist Matter Manipulation that works at the Subatomic or Macro-Quantum level. However, character B lacks sufficient resistance to Biological Manipulation (and Disease Manipulation) that works at the level of character A, as character B has only ever has scans that them supports them being able to resist Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation that works at the Cellular level at the absolute best (or at worst, resisting Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation that is not even good enough to be Cellular level). This resistance also appears to only be at the baseline level, so there does not appear to be any layers to the Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation they have resisted.

So, in this case, would character B's resistance to Matter Manipulation at the Subatomic or Macro-Quantum level be able to translate over to resisting Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation at the molecular level? Or would resisting Matter Manipulation not be applicable to resisting Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation, as they are too separate of abilities to qualify, thus character B would get affected via lacking sufficient resistance to the level of character A's abilities?

Or brief summary: Character A's layered Molecular-level Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation > Character B's baseline possibly not-even-Cellular level Resistance to Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation, so would character B's Resistance to Matter Manipulation at the Subatomic or Macro-Quantum level be applicable enough to resist character A's Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation abilities?

It would be very helpful if a staff member can also answer this question and confirm what the answer would be.

 

[DeathNoodles]

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[Vietthai96]

What kind of Matter resistance B is??, he resist matter destruction or resist matter alteration, if it is the former then no he can't resist A's Bio hax, if it is the latter he possible resist A's Bio hax

 

[DeathNoodles]

What kind of Matter resistance B is??, he resist matter destruction or resist matter alteration, if it is the former then no he can't resist A's Bio hax, if it is the latter he possible resist A's Bio hax

It's mainly Deconstruction (Matter destruction), with maybe some Absorption involved, so there does not appear to be any Matter Alteration.

But even if it is Matter Alteration that was resisted, how would that even be applicable to resisting Biological Manipulation with Disease Manipulation as its core mechanic?


Character A has Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation that works by "infecting" targets and causes the victim's cells (as well as molecules in this case) to reproduce more of itself, and it just so happens the Biological Manipulation caused by the disease caused the target to die from genetic changes because the disease happened to be very dangerous, so there's no magical-like "your atoms and subatomic particles gets re-arranged" like the Matter Manipulation ability. So I wonder how resisting Matter Manipulation (via Matter Alteration) would allow a character to be able to resist "all your cells and molecules are hijacked, you now die to super Ebola with mix of AIDS. Lol" Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, if B just resist Deconstruction then no, he can't resist A's Bio and Disease hax, unless said Bio and Disease hax have similar effect to Deconstruction, then possibly B can resist

 

[DeathNoodles]

Well, if B just resist Deconstruction then no, he can't resist A's Bio and Disease hax, unless said Bio and Disease hax have similar effect to Deconstruction, then possibly B can resist

There's no Deconstruction involved for the Biological and Disease Manipulation that character A has. It mainly just kills the victims that character A has infected, or causes them to get sick and get a bunch of fatal bodily symptoms, and it does so at a scale greater than what character B has shown to resist against Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation.

But, do you think resisting Matter Alteration is enough to be applicable to resist getting killed by Biological and Disease Manipulation that character A has, where it causes victims to either die or get a bunch of fatal bodily symptoms (e.g. coughing up blood, getting symptoms similar to terminal cancer at its final stage, etc.)? Or is resisting Matter Alteration not enough to resist "being ill from superhuman diseases"?

Keep in mind, character A also has Biological Manipulation and Disease Manipulation that is potent enough to work at 2 layers above baseline as well.

 

[Vietthai96]

Depend on the what Matter Alteration B resisted and A's Bio and Disease hax did, if A's Bio and Disease hax achieve via altering matter in B's body, B likely will resist since he resist matter alteration up to sub atomic. However if A's Bio and Disease hax is your daily normal Bio and Disease hax, B can't resist those haxes

 

[DeathNoodles]

Depend on the what Matter Alteration B resisted and A's Bio and Disease hax did, if A's Bio and Disease hax achieve via altering matter in B's body, B likely will resist since he resist matter alteration up to sub atomic. However if A's Bio and Disease hax is your daily normal Bio and Disease hax, B can't resist those haxes

It's most likely the latter. It's more so that it works like daily normal Biological and Disease hax, but it works at a far greater scale (where, instead of just working at the Cellular level at highest like most other diseases, it works at up to even the Molecular level instead, where every single molecules of the victims gets infected and the target either dies or gets fatal bodily symptoms) for affecting its victims.

 

[DeathNoodles]

If any staff members have the spare time and are willing to answer the questions of this thread with responses of their own, please feel free to do so.

It would be very helpful to see any staff responses to confirm what the answer to such questions would be, as I don't think such questions has been answered before.

 

[DeathNoodles]

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[DeathNoodles]

If any staff members have the spare time and are willing to answer the questions of this thread with responses of their own, please feel free to do so.

It would be very helpful to see any staff responses to confirm what the answer to such questions would be, as I don't think such questions has been answered before.

 

[DeathNoodles]

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[Jackpact]

Pretty sure B is dead regardless off whether or not he resist the matter components, since there's still basic disease/bio component which should by nature be far superior then baseline celular stuff, so i would say B shouldn't be able to resist the actual disease even if they can resist it molecular aspect.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Pretty sure B is dead regardless off whether or not he resist the matter components, since there's still basic disease/bio component which should by nature be far superior then baseline celular stuff, so i would say B shouldn't be able to resist the actual disease even if they can resist it molecular aspect.

I thought so as well.

Now all I need is to get one of the staff members to give their response (even just having a reply saying they agree to the replies above or similar would be enough), and I can consider this question to be successfully concluded and have this topic be applicable to Versus threads.

 

[DeathNoodles]

One of the staff members to give their response (even just having a reply saying they agree to the replies above or similar would be enough), and I can consider this question to be successfully concluded and have this topic be applicable to Versus threads.

Bump.

 

[Elizhaa]

Depend on the what Matter Alteration B resisted and A's Bio and Disease hax did, if A's Bio and Disease hax achieve via altering matter in B's body, B likely will resist since he resist matter alteration up to sub atomic. However if A's Bio and Disease hax is your daily normal Bio and Disease hax, B can't resist those haxes

It's most likely the latter. It's more so that it works like daily normal Biological and Disease hax, but it works at a far greater scale (where, instead of just working at the Cellular level at highest like most other diseases, it works at up to even the Molecular level instead, where every single molecules of the victims gets infected and the target either dies or gets fatal bodily symptoms) for affecting its victims.

Yeah, it is most likely the latter case.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Awesome.

Looks like this topic is now successfully concluded, and is now also possibly applicable to Versus threads.

To those that have replied in this thread, thank you.

 

[Elizhaa]

Sure, I will lock the thread since question is accepted as answered, then.