Bill Cipher vs. The Player (Minecraft)

[Jinsye]

• shrug*

Speed =

2-C

who wins?

you: 0

some dorito: 0

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Can't bill just mind control the player?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

More hax + quicker on the draw = win for Bill

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Plus his soul manipulation is now combat applicable

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Bill mind haxes and snaps his fingers GG.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Bill FRA.

 

[Jinsye]

Bump

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Bill fra

 

[Davidliteral]

Voting Player via LM/VM, type 9, Versality.

"Sometimes the player woke from one dream into another, then woke from that into a third."

Not only is Minecraft a mere dream, it also part of a greater Dream, and this one also being part of a greater one. 3 levels of reality above 3D space. Assuming a dream is a level of reality (Which seems to be the case often here) and that Minecraft is 3D.

Bill Cipher can kill the the Player in the "real world"? No, the "real world" is just a mere dream to the Player while the "real world" is real to Bill Cipher.

"Bill mind haxes and snaps his fingers GG."

The Player can kill in a single "thought" > Bill Cipher snap the fingers.

Otherwise I'm voting for Inconclusive.

Bill Cipher is non-corporeal and it can't be added if this fight was stomp.

(Chara was more acceptable opponent than Bill Cipher)

"Plus his soul manipulation is now combat applicable"

No. The following abilities can only be used if Bill tricks his target into making a deal with him. It's like saying Chara CONVINCE The Player to give up his soul. First of all, where does it say that The Player has a soul in general.

Law Manipulation Bill gets serious enough to one shot. Good Game. But seriously nope.

Though... It's not like the Player immediately goes for Law manipulation in character either.

This battle shouldn't resurface and should be erased from surface.

Bonus ducks: Other worlds are canon in MC, including the Console and Pocket Edition worlds. And people traveling between said worlds is also canon. Low Multiversal range for Steve when.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Plus his soul manipulation is now combat applicable

What? Since when?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@David stop using that "real world" argument. Player is 2-C, accepting that argument would put him above 2-C. Make a content revision if you want to use it.

 

[Davidliteral]

Make a content revision if you want to use it.

It's already IN the profile (@Saik's statement and ctr) really. It doesn't matter though Bill Cipher and The Player are fourth wall breakers. 2-C is AP. The "real world" is just a higher plane to them and Player's Dura.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

>Quicker on the draw

Since when? Like, when did Bill ever just spam hax on the get go? Because The Player can just erase Bill on thought. Variety of hax also doesn't matter, like at all here.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He has infinite possibilities precog right now because of a reddit statement.

I made a crt about it though, and any imput would be great. Though, cal, I wont be able to respond properly till friday, so please dont close it till then

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I know a lot about both series and I can gurantee that no one in minecraft can erase souls, and bill has low godly Regenerationn

 

[The_Wright_Way]

1. 4th wall breaking is literally useless in a fight.

2. It just says that he views the game as a dream, not a "dream within a dream". You're also arguing that he'd transcend Bill, despite both being 2-C's of interchangeable power.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

As awesome as steve stomping Homura would be

 

[Davidliteral]

This is 2-C

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

At best this is inconclusive. Saying that Bill wins via versatility makes no goddamn sense in a shoutout match like this.

@Zachary Erasing a small multiverse >>>> Erasing the soul.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I know a lot about both series and I can gurantee that no one in minecraft can erase souls, and bill has low godly Regenerationn

Once the body is destrozed, he cant make another one without a portal to his own dimension, so yeah.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

It's already IN the profile (@Saik's statement and ctr) really. It doesn't matter though Bill Cipher and The Player are fourth wall breakers. 2-C is AP. The "real world" is just a higher plane to them and Player's Dura.

If he existed above 2-C, then his AP would be higher than 2-C.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

At best this is inconclusive. Saying that Bill wins via versatility makes no goddamn sense in a shoutout match like this.
@Zachary Erasing a small multiverse >>>> Erasing the soul.

Not neccesarily. A high 2-A without conceptual manipulation couldn't kill a 2-A with mid godly Regenerationn (Just as an example)

 

[Davidliteral]

1. 4th wall breaking is literally useless in a fight.
2. It just says that he views the game as a dream, not a "dream within a dream". You're also arguing that he'd transcend Bill, despite both being 2-C's of interchangeable power.

1. I don't mean gag. Fourth Wall is fictionalized "real world" and the force a restriction to the fourth wall breakers as fictional settings.

2. Your argument is contradiction. I didn't argue he transcend Bill through dimensions. The Player exist above a normal player. Also 2-C Tier is just an AP.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Zach

Nonsense. Souls or minds don't exist outside of reality like that. If you nuke the universe then you nuke both soul and mind in it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>Quicker on the draw

Since when? Like, when did Bill ever just spam hax on the get go? Because The Player can just erase Bill on thought. Variety of hax also doesn't matter, like at all here.

• Cal links countless times where this is the case in an aggressive manner because he's addressed this bs argument so many goddamn times that he's as tired of it as Saik is of tier 1 2hu.

• Cal throws the argument back at Saik saying that Player has canonically done that a grand total of zero times.

 

[Davidliteral]

Once the body is destrozed, he cant make another one without a portal to his own dimension, so yeah.

Death is temporary inconvenience to the player.

 

[Davidliteral]

If he existed above 2-C, then his AP would be higher than 2-C.

False. Not everything are under control by the player.

Control =/= AP

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bill is way more than willing to use his hax. He's crazy and uses it in random ways, but he uses it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The Player doesn't have counter feats of losing to 10-B paint spray or anything while supposedly having Low 2-C durability and omni precognition though

 

[The_Wright_Way]

1. I don't mean gag. Fourth Wall is fictionalized "real world" and the force a restriction to the fourth wall breakers as fictional settings.

2. Your argument is contradiction. I didn't argue he transcend Bill through dimensions. The Player exist above a normal player. Also Tier is just an AP.

You're saying that the "real world" the Bill would see as real would be just a dream to the player. That, by definition, means he exists in a higher dimension. You can't view 2-C as fictional while being 2-C.

Fourth Wall Breaking can be used as tier justification in very specific circumstances. As a power it does nothing.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You've never seen the series

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

At best this is inconclusive. Saying that Bill wins via versatility makes no goddamn sense in a shoutout match like this.
@Zachary Erasing a small multiverse >>>> Erasing the soul.

Not neccesarily. A high 2-A without conceptual manipulation couldn't kill a 2-A with mid godly Regenerationn (Just as an example)

High 2-As are 5D, 2-As are 4D. Being destroyed by a higher-dimensional being automatically bypasses Mid-Godly. The 2-A needs to have High-Godly to regenerate from that.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Sweet so Stellaris high 2-As can kill Homura

 

[Davidliteral]

You're saying that the "real world" the Bill would see as real would be just a dream to the player. That, by definition, means he exists in a higher dimension. You can't view 2-C as fictional while being 2-C.

Fourth Wall Breaking can be used as tier justification in very specific circumstances. As a power it does nothing.

The Player has access on a higher and lower dimension.

Tell that to the creator of the End Poem. It's not AP though.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Zach Using it =/= using the best one that will definitively kill his opponent from the start. This is one of the case where versatility actually hinders him. Especially since Non-Corporeality null a fraction of his hax.

I also repeat that the versatility argument makes no goddamn sense. Having more abilities does not allow you to kill an opponent faster than they can kill you.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@David Please stop. Just stop.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It wouldn't make sense for bill's hax to not work a non corpreal, seeing as he had complete control over a non-physical realm

 

[The_Wright_Way]

The Player has access on a higher and lower dimension.

Tell that to the creator of the End Poem.

That... doesn't make sense. You said he'd view Bill as "just a dream". That makes him Higher Dimensional and above 2-C. Which he's not.

Sure, breaking the forth wall is useless. Goes for him too.

 

[Davidliteral]

I also repeat that the versatility argument makes no goddamn sense. Having more abilities does not allow you to kill an opponent faster than they can kill you.

Well I could I agree to that kind of circumstance.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Zach It doesn't mean that every single one of his hax would work on non-corporeal beings. Especially stuff like transmutation.