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Plus I have been strawmanned to hell and back. All the thread is saying is about Bill be able to use precognition on Type 4 Acasuals, and that's it. Wht the **** are y'all overthinking over such a simple thing?
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Bill Cipher Precognition Buff
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Yeah? But some don't, or have fundamentally different reasons and mechanics behind it, again most = all.
And sure maybe I'm not trusting dudes enough to use common sense to when it's fine and isn't, but then you went and octupled down on it working no matter what as long as it's type 4 regardless of mechanics, and you're going to use it matches even in spite of that so....
Nah man ya kinda proved me being a tad anal about this to be justified
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What are some of the main arguments here from either side?
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Tldr is Bill being capable of using precognition on Type 4 acausals as he can use it on other versions of himself, but @Chariot190 argues that it can't affect any Type 4, and only the ones similar to him.
The problem though it's that in vs threads we treat Acausality 4 in layers, and that generally hax that works on Type 4 acausals should work on all of them unless they have it layered, from what I've understood in vs threads.
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Just list it, but don't wank it, be clear about how it works, what it worked on, and detail it properly without extrapolating it.
Nobody says he can't have it.
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Precognition is good; but I don't know the verse enough to make a judgement it effecting Type 4 Acausality (Thus put me as neutral for now but wait for more staff). Though it would be called "Cosmic Awareness" that specifies the ability to see nonexistent future if that is.
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It is already on profile though.
- Acausality (Types 1 and 4. It was revealed that after the events of Gravity Falls Bill is trapped in a cosmic punishment where he's forced to relive the events of the series again and again. Bill lived in and made Nightmare Realm his new home[4] which is not only described as a place that lacks laws[4] such as physics[4] or causality[6], but also implied to be outside time[3] due to it being a dimension between dimensions, each being a different space-time that follows its own rules[4])
- Precognition (It is heavily implied he was able to foresee Weirdmageddon way before it happened,[1] Quickly saw Dipper waking up, screaming and acting in a specific way before it happened and did an impression of it perfectly, and later asked Soos if he wanted to hear the exact time and date of his death.[5] Told Ford to not have a heart attack as he wasn't 92 yet, implying he knows when and how Ford will die.[9] Replied being asked twice if he could see the future by claiming to see the questioner's future, and that he could "see a kaleidoscope of temporal probability with fluctuating range", seeing in it "infinite alternate versions of [himself] in infinite alternate dimensions answering [the] question with infinite variation", one of them having "answered by vomiting a stream of blood and prime numbers out of his third mouth!".[3] While being erased Bill showed a single image of his statue in the forest which we see later in the episode at the ending[9])
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Also you know what? Ping staff that know how acausality works, so we end it here.
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No?
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i mean, technically it is, as it mentions him using his precog on himself and versions of himself
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Then why is this thread a thing?
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From what I've seen so far, in such case we do not assume that the characters affect themselves with the abilities they have. I have a similar character, he has acausality type 4 because he is independent of the laws that govern causality and fate, but despite this, he can change his own fate through fate manipulation. I don't think this will provide his or Bill with layered fate manipulation or something. Writers generally ignore this.
For this reason, I disagree for now, but if the staff or anyone else comes up with a well-founded explanation that this is not the case, my opinion may change.
For this reason, I disagree for now, but if the staff or anyone else comes up with a well-founded explanation that this is not the case, my opinion may change.
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This isn't Bill affecting himself, is Bill seeing other versions of himself. Kinda different.
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It's not "Acausality Negation", it's just Precognition that works on Type 4 Acasuals.
You're now overcomplicating things.
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Well then get some more staff input on this because I don't believe we automatically assume that with the current context on hand.
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Xavier is fine as he negs also Type 1. Only Type 4 nah though, seems kinda redundant-ish. Just list that it can affect Type 4 Acasuals in the justification and that's it, I did the same with the DDLC Player.
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Type 4 Acausality is not a resistance, it's just a state of being. It's like saying that NEP characters have resistances because they're immune to stuff due to lacking those, but that's not how it works.
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I agree with Strym too, but given I was asked, @Elizhaa @Everything12 some input from Acausality experts was asked.
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