Beyond Dimensional Existence Revision Thread

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Bump.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

I will ask yet again.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Well, as long as the Low 1-A thing is slow I guess I can get back to this. That being said what was left on the table to comment on?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as long as the Low 1-A thing is slow I guess I can get back to this. That being said what was left on the table to comment on?

Thank you for helping out.

@Rakih_Elyan

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Thank you for helping out.

@Rakih_Elyan

Including HDE abilities to BDE type 2.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Including HDE abilities to BDE type 2.

Elaborate, please? What's left to do here?

 

[Antvasima]

Elaborate, please? What's left to do here?

@Rakih_Elyan

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

@Rakih_Elyan

All HDE benefits should be added to BDE type 2, they have similar nature.

I mean


It's treated as being (if equal in base nature) as superior.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, and what do our respective staff members here think about that suggestion?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Okay, and what do our respective staff members here think about that suggestion?

So far, only Qawsed agrees.

 

[Antvasima]

All HDE benefits should be added to BDE type 2, they have similar nature.

Okay, and what do our respective staff members here think about that suggestion?

So far, only Qawsed agrees.

@Elizhaa @Damage3245 @Celestial_Pegasus @DarkGrath @Planck69 @Sir_Ovens @ByAsura @DarkDragonMedeus @Moritzva

Would any of you be willing to take a look here please?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

My thoughts I suppose are the same as DontTalkDT's

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Bump

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write an easy to understand summarised explanation regarding what needs to be evaluated here please?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Can somebody write an easy to understand summarised explanation regarding what needs to be evaluated here please?

All HDE benefits should be added to BDE type 2, they have similar nature.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, a bit more elaborate and specific than that please.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Well, a bit more elaborate and specific than that please.

It is that simple tho.

BDE type 2 and HDE have similar nature as they are superior to the dimensions below them.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write an easy to understand summarised explanation regarding what needs to be evaluated here please?

All HDE benefits should be added to BDE type 2, they have similar nature.

BDE type 2 and HDE have similar nature as they are superior to the dimensions below them.

@Agnaa @DontTalkDT @Qawsedf234 @Ultima_Reality @Planck69 @Elizhaa @Ovy7 @PrinceofPein @TheUnshakableOne @IdiosyncraticLawyer

What do you think about this?

 

[Ovy7]

Don't see anything bad with that on a first glance.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I'm fine with it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to you as well.

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Agnaa @DontTalkDT @Qawsedf234 @Ultima_Reality @Planck69 @Elizhaa @Ovy7 @PrinceofPein @TheUnshakableOne @IdiosyncraticLawyer

What do you think about this?

I'm fine with it. Since BDE > HDE of an equalivent level imo.

 

[Agnaa]

@Agnaa
What do you think about this?

I currently have 5 threads in my "to-evaluate" backlog, I've added this to the list, and will get to it eventually.

 

[PrinceofPein]

@Agnaa @DontTalkDT @Qawsedf234 @Ultima_Reality @Planck69 @Elizhaa @Ovy7 @PrinceofPein @TheUnshakableOne @IdiosyncraticLawyer

What do you think about this?

Looks good, but it will be within the scope of what they are shown

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

BUMP

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Bro
Bump

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Bump

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I hate dimensions and my CRT

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far/which staff and knowledgeable members think what here?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Lets finish this please.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Most have agreed with this.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Since the thread are already accepted, can someone edit the BDE page and add every advantage that HDE has to BDE type 2?

 

[Antvasima]

@Planck69 @ImmortalDread @Qawsedf234

What should currently be done here?

 

[ImmortalDread]

While I comprehend the arguments presented, I continue to face challenges in identifying a rational approach to applying them within the context of fictional logic. For instance, although certain logical arguments can be observed for the last two abilities (Matter/Energy manipulation resistance), no instances have been found within any franchise that consistently adhere to this logic.

Similarly, the concept of physics manipulation resistance, based on being outside the “space-time” continuum, can be contested, as magic users possess the ability to create magical spaces that defy physics, yet achieve equivalent outcomes.

The OP appears heavily fixated on real-world logic and has not adequately addressed how these arguments can be seamlessly integrated into our system.

I share the same viewpoint as @DontTalkDT.

Furthermore, providing HDE to type 2 BDE would contradict the rule itself:

These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown.

All of the opposing arguments fail to address the mentioned point entirely, leading to potential challenges in incorporating the mentioned abilities. These abilities are primarily centered around the concept of being "superior to spacetime on every level," which is considered a no-limits argument.

Moreover, there seems to be no response provided to @DontTalkDT's argument.

Regarding the modification of the OP's premise to exclude the mentioned note and solely favor HDE benefits, I respectfully disagree. I believe there is no need for any alteration to the text.

In conclusion, the arguments put forth by the OP are based on the possibility that a verse adheres closely to real-world logic and theory. However, it is essential to establish that all BDE type 2 characters possess these abilities, rather than merely being plausible. Merely showing that some fictions support this viewpoint is insufficient; it is crucial to demonstrate that all instances of BDE Type 2 characters universally possess these abilities. Thus, inclusion of the mentioned abilities cannot be assumed by default and necessitates additional evidence beyond that required for BDE.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

If DontTalkDT has firmly rejected the suggested revision here, we should probably close this thread.

 

[ImmortalDread]

If DontTalkDT has firmly rejected the suggested revision here, we should probably close this thread.

Yes; I don't mind. Specially that HDE was not the primary suggestion from OP; and as far as I can see, he did not even add any rational reason for why we should give it as benefit. I actually would prefer if OP simply restarted his thread once again.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this thread then.

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.