Berserk Scaling Changes

[ElJoaki5]

Using it as a weapon doesn't mean that Skull Knight personally scales to the Abyss. Why would it? A person firing a handgun doesn't scale to the AP of the bullet.

Yeah like a person with a handgun. Thats how the profile should be, thats what I mean.
Multi-City Block level, City to Mountain+ level with the abyss

 

[Chariot190]

Theyre stated to be above demonkind, theyre stated to be above the entirety of the physical world. A crimson behelit happens to be none of the above and there are no clear statements to them being superior to behelits, if i havent missed them that is.

Dog, ya gotta like, actually post the scans tho. Just saying they exist ain't good enough, I KNOW they exist, but we need evidence to link on profile.

Already made the calc, got it accepted, made a crt and it got rejected.

Well, no offense but if it's anything like this CRT I can see why, ya ain't really posting solid evidence for things should scale to begin with....

 

[Electronic74947]

I haven't read beserk but the profile for sea god already scales him to the storm in terms of physicals and durability, either there's an issue with that profile that needs to be revised or guts should scale no?

 

[ElJoaki5]

Using it as a weapon doesn't mean that Skull Knight personally scales to the Abyss. Why would it? A person firing a handgun doesn't scale to the AP of the bullet.

So do you agree to that? Putting the Abyss in his AP section as a weapon, and adding the City to Mountain+ level scaling there?

 

[Damage3245]

So do you agree to that? Putting the Abyss in his AP section as a weapon, and adding the City to Mountain+ level scaling there?

I don't support an AP section there scaling him to Ganishka yet. What he has on his profile right now is:

, can negate durability with the Sword of Actuation

Which is what seems best to me.

 

[ElJoaki5]

I don't support an AP section there scaling him to Ganishka yet. What he has on his profile right now is:



Which is what seems best to me.

So why not add it? He can use the sword's spatial manip to dura neg. But he can also make a portal to the abyss and be more destructive or affect a larger area.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Sea God is ***** tho, even physically scaling Guts, dealing minor damage to 0.01% of its tissue makes scaling hard, no different from a ant biting someone. Yeah he DOES cut it, but he's so much smaller and the damage is so miniscule that area effected becomes an actual argument and that thing passively curbs him too so... Maybe calc the shit he actually tanked from it idk.

Tbf chopping through something's heart and stomach lining is considerably more than "0.01% of its tissue", since Guts is cutting through not-insignificant amounts of muscle tissue. I don't think bug bites are necessarily the best comparison, though I don't dispute that surface area is very much a consideration here

 

[Chariot190]

Just like, calc the actual Roar's AP, slap that shit on Femto (might not even need to upscale if just facetanking that is higher).

Tbf chopping through something's heart and stomach lining is considerably more than "0.01% of its tissue", since Guts is cutting through not-insignificant amounts of muscle tissue. I don't think bug bites are necessarily the best comparison, though I don't dispute that surface area is very much a consideration here

It very much is like 0.01%. Honestly probably way less.

This thing is like what, 200m wide? 100m tall? And DS is what, 3-4cm thick?

Let's approximate, 100x200 ellipsoid, that's 16755160.82 cubic meters (obviously it isn't solid all the way through but ya get it), and the surface area is approximately 251327.41 square meters. Give or take.

Assuming 4cm, 200cm for DS, 90 degree slash, we're getting about 125663.71cm3 of cut tissue at most, and the total surface area covered by the swing is approximately 2056.64cm2. Which is like, 0.00000075% and 0.0082% respectively, so like.

To put that into human values, DS would be like a razor blade but covering even less area total.

Obviously those numbers ain't exact but the things heart is just an extremely small fraction of it for some reason, like tbh it should be larger than a building given its scope.

 

[ElJoaki5]

I don't support an AP section there scaling him to Ganishka yet. What he has on his profile right now is:



Which is what seems best to me.

So why dont you support it yet exactly?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Just like, calc the actual Roar's AP, slap that shit on Femto (might not even need to upscale if just facetanking that is higher).

It very much is like 0.01%. Honestly probably way less.

This thing is like what, 200m wide? 100m tall? And DS is what, 3-4cm thick?

Let's approximate, 100x200 ellipsoid, that's 16755160.82 cubic meters (obviously it isn't solid all the way through but ya get it), and the surface area is approximately 251327.41 square meters. Give or take.

Assuming 4cm, 200cm for DS, 90 degree slash, we're getting about 125663.71cm3 of cut tissue at most, and the total surface area covered by the swing is approximately 2056.64cm2. Which is like, 0.00000075% and 0.0082% respectively, so like.

To put that into human values, DS would be like a razor blade but covering even less area total.

Obviously those numbers ain't exact but the things heart is just an extremely small fraction of it for some reason, like tbh it should be larger than a building given its scope.

Would be a shame if someone wanked calced that

 

[ElJoaki5]

Would be a shame if someone wanked calced that

I think multi-continent and small country dura is wanked enough

 

[Chariot190]

Would be a shame if someone wanked calced that

Pretty sure there's some cloud parting going, like it doesn't part clouds globally despite covering the planet, but some shit def gets KE'd around the epicenter. And luminosity should be 7-A, maybe 6-C (wouldn't be higher, lighting up the whole planet is 6-C, so that's the cap on that end).

Could def scale that to Femto twofold given he was epicenter and also he just scales above that shit.

There's also the goo shattering the island, though that's a collective feat, unsure if there's any method to scale anyone above the collective might of ten fucktrillion demons even if there's an easy case for > any singular one.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Pretty sure there's some cloud parting going, like it doesn't part clouds globally despite covering the planet, but some shit def gets KE'd around the epicenter. And luminosity should be 7-A, maybe 6-C (wouldn't be higher, lighting up the whole planet is 6-C, so that's the cap on that end).

It actually does push clouds globally (all those above the point of explosion)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Berserk:_The_Great_Roar_of_the_Astral_World

There's also the goo shattering the island, though that's a collective feat, unsure if there's any method to scale anyone above the collective might of ten fucktrillion demons even if there's an easy case for > any singular one.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Berserk:_Elfhelm_Earthquake
The incantation of the four burnt away all the goo and femto upscales.

 

[Chariot190]

It actually does push clouds globally (all those above the point of explosion)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Berserk:_The_Great_Roar_of_the_Astral_World

As Rusty says, clouds are visible and didn't get pushed as shown right after where Guts is (which is across the planet).

You're conflating the area the whole flash covered, with clouds being pushed over that whole area, which isn't what is said or shown to happen.
There's cloud pushing, but only up close, the rest is just bright light, which can also be calced via luminosity but that ain't what's being done. Plus the timeframe a tad sus, anyone would be surprised if the planet just flashed.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ElJoaki5/Berserk:_Elfhelm_Earthquake
The incantation of the four burnt away all the goo and femto upscales.

Yeah this calc ain't it chief, sorry. There's quite a few problems with it from scaling to just what's allowed (like mag 12 quake shit needs a bit more proof for example).
Though burning all that goop, is definitely a good calc in and of itself and probably way less of a pain in the ass to calc given you just need goo volume and then standard vape calc, which you're right, probably would be able to scale directly. Should be in that range too as it covered the whole bottom of the island.

This isn't relevant to the CRT, we should move this to a discussion thread instead, there's def stuff that can be obtained from both but for this specific thread it's derailing.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I think multi-continent and small country dura is wanked enough

Don't underestimate me Joakin. Got to fix Ganishka's true form height first.

 

[ElJoaki5]

I don't support an AP section there scaling him to Ganishka yet. What he has on his profile right now is:



Which is what seems best to me.

So if you agree with the scaling why dont you wanna add it?

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

Guts scaling to the Sea God's storm

Apart from that scale, I think the rest can work, even sea bombs stun the poor Sea God, and I wonder if the storm really didn't fall for environmental destruction.
I don't remember him using this energy to attack anyone...