Ben 10 Reboot Revision Thread

[Popted2]

i agree to Demon and Green

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Was asked to look here at the regen stuff, and after looking at it, I'm in agreement with what is proposed by DemonicDude and Greenshifter

 

[DemonicDude]

Alright it has been accepted

 

[Greenshifter]

Oh, hi Glace, thx for your input!

DD, we need staff input as well.

 

[KLOL506]

Seems fine at a glance, but I'd recommend more staff input, since High regen normally involves healing from atoms or sub-atomic particles.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Regen stuff is fine

 

[Antvasima]

It his mentioned on shock rocks page that Regeneration (High-Mid, can regenerate as long as his rock armor remains)
1-This is not true as when he was teleported at at 0:35 his "Omni-Energy was gone" leaving the armor behind
2- His regen rely on his energy not armor and you need to get rid of that not the armor, As it put itself back together therefore would this warrent a High degree of Regeneration, Here is the slow down footage of the energy getting back together. Shock Rock is a Sentient-energy puppeteering pieces of armor which is the same energy that his planet was held together by (clearly stated on it's page.). which is what grandpa max said "Energy rerforming rocks"
his energy completey was dispersed and this should warrent High regen.

@Firestorm808 @Eficiente

What do you think about this?

 

[Firestorm808]

The Regen change is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. That can probably be applied then.

 

[DemonicDude]

Expert Marksmanship for Shock Rock
Being able to react and cut through objects thrown at him via shrinking gun and not getting caught via surprise, This goes to show he has good laser-focused aim.

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine.

 

[DemonicDude]

Omni-Naut Humungousaur is able to harm Alien V, Before Alien V started growing in size and not feeling the effects anymore this does mean he is getting stronger & durable so I suggest Statistic Amplification for him.
Bascially here is my argument that InkTank coverd in their latest video.

 

[Antvasima]

Omni-Naut Humungousaur is able to harm Alien V, Before Alien V started growing in size and not feeling the effects anymore this does mean he is getting stronger & durable so I suggest Statistic Amplification for him.
Bascially here is my argument that InkTank coverd in their latest video.

@Firestorm808

What do you think?

 

[DemonicDude]

Heatblast to get the following abilities.
Non-Physical Interaction: Can interact with sound (Scan)
Matter Manipulation: Can change the land from liquid into solid (Scan)

 

[Firestorm808]

@Firestorm808

What do you think?

Statistics Amplification

Statistics Amplification is when a character raises their parameters in the middle of a fight, and this is not related to their base form or some sort of “hidden power” that has been hidden or held back. These boosts are usually temporary and are specific to one or a number of statistics. This...

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Reading the ability page, I don't think it meets the definition. If Vilgax stayed the same appearance-wise and got stronger, it would better fit stat amp.

"This is also not to be confused with a change in form or state, and is thus not typically associated with any new abilities in particular. Instead, this ability serves as a means of overcoming the opponent through a sudden increase in combat effectiveness."

In cause and effect, growing larger => higher stats.

Size Manipulation

The power to manipulate the size of oneself and others, from tiny to absolutely gigantic while retaining their physical proportions, some may be able to alter their density. Usually strength and durability is proportional to the size assumed, but users may actually gain increased abilities when...

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This better fits Size Enhancement.

"Size Enhancement - The user can increase the size of themselves or others to be a hulking giant, when the user grows their physical capabilities are also enhanced, allowing them to draw upon vast amounts of strength to superhuman levels."

 

[Firestorm808]

Heatblast to get the following abilities.
Non-Physical Interaction: Can interact with sound (Scan)
Matter Manipulation: Can change the land from liquid into solid (Scan)

I wouldn't consider sound as a non-physical attack.

That's not matter manipulation. He dried the mud with his fire.

 

[DemonicDude]

I wouldn't consider sound as a non-physical attack.

That's not matter manipulation. He dried the mud with his fire.

How can we be sure that sound is physical attack also we can not dry mud like that normally because extreme heat kills the organic matter and doesn't turn it into that.

 

[Firestorm808]

How can we be sure that sound is physical attack

Sound - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sound is a physical thing. It's basically vibrations in the air.

Sound does not meet the requirements of https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Non-Physical_Interaction

"intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects"

 

[DemonicDude]

Fair enough thanks for clearing the confusion, Would this give Limited-Magic and Telekesis resistance to Ben (Scan) since he was able to function perfectly and use him Omnitrix while being under magic effect by Hex

 

[Firestorm808]

we can not dry mud like that normally because extreme heat kills the organic matter and doesn't turn it into that.

What does organic matter have anything to do with drying to a hard texture?

 

[DemonicDude]

What does organic matter have anything to do with drying to a hard texture?

It's not just a hard texture it solid ground now, Heat can not accomplish such on it's own this was used for the race in the episode.

 

[Firestorm808]

Fair enough thanks for clearing the confusion, Would this give Limited-Magic and Telekesis resistance to Ben (Scan) since he was able to function perfectly and use him Omnitrix while being under magic effect by Hex

If the transformed Heatblast was initially encased in the magic and broke out, yes.

 

[Firestorm808]

It's not just a hard texture it sold ground now, Not heat can not accomplish such this was used for the race in the episode.

The ground in the clip is made of dirt, is it not?

 

[DemonicDude]

The ground in the clip is made of dirt, is it not?

It's mud same as in the titled of the episode, Organic matter is just the mixed in with the material, It would either crumble apart or kinda meld together like a brick, It is what it is I'm not going to argue for it.

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think should be done here, Firestorm?

 

[Firestorm808]

Alien V Size Enhancement is fine.

Note that Heatblast's fire can block sound.

I don't think we have justification for matter manipulation.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. That is probably fine to apply then.

 

[DemonicDude]

Omni-Enhanced version of XLR speed to slightly upgraded to Relativistic+ since he can go this fast with his speed Amp.

And Diamondhead Omni-Enhaned version to get Statistics Amplification since he can Amplify energy attacks.

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine then, yes.

What do you think, @Firestorm808 ?

 

[Firestorm808]

This seems okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. It can probably be applied then.

 

[Firestorm808]

Stats Amp would only apply to energy attacks.

 

[Antvasima]

What do you mean?

 

[Firestorm808]

According to Demonic, the ability only applies to his energy attacks, not physicals.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. XLR8 seems to get a regular speed boost though.

 

[DemonicDude]

According to Cartoon Network merchandise Omni-Enhanced version of Diamondhead should have Atomic-Manipualtion ability.

 

[Firestorm808]

Do we have an example of what they mean by that?

 

[DemonicDude]

Do we have an example of what they mean by that?

Omni-Enhanced aliens seems to have Matter Manipualtion as we have seen in the show such examples of aliens are Omni-EN Overflow and Omni-EN Heatblast shown in the show which was confirmed by writers (here, here)
Which would means he is atomically manipulating his clusters of crystalline structures and changing crystals into any any objects.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. XLR8 seems to get a regular speed boost though.

So what happened regarding our previous topic here?

 

[DemonicDude]

This seems okay.

XLR8 Speed increase has been applied currently waiting for this/Matter Manip to be applied.

Omni-Enhanced aliens seems to have Matter Manipualtion as we have seen in the show such examples of aliens are Omni-EN Overflow and Omni-EN Heatblast shown in the show which was confirmed by writers (here, here)
Which would means he is atomically manipulating his clusters of crystalline structures and changing crystals into any any objects.