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Ben 10 - Re-evaluation of the Low 1-C Time Stream Proposal

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Per @Ultima_Reality and @Elizhaa: "If the 2-Digit layer was infinitely large (From its own point of view) and yet was contained inside of a finite box to 1-Digits, then that's certainly be a slam dunk on the matter of proving qualitative transcendence is at play here."

Per @Qawsedf234: "If there's an infinite number of 2-A spaces contained within a fraction of a [larger] space, that would require a 5-D space to contain them."

We have an infinite-sized Realm A (Space Beyond) that contains infinite multiverses.

Realm A exists as a finite tube within an even larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream).

Based on the prior staff statements, the larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream) can be called qualitatively superior.
 
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Realm A exists as a finite tube within an even larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream).
Doesn't the structure we call timestream consist entirely of these tubes? Or is it the space covering those tubes?

And where exactly is it said that they are finite compared to Timestream?
 
The Timestream tube structure includes the space beyond.

I'm saying that the Space Beyond (Realm A) no longer has an omnidirectional existence in Realm B. It's limited to being a tube structure, a smaller fraction of Realm B.
 
I'm saying that the Space Beyond (Realm A) no longer has an omnidirectional existence in Realm B. It's limited to being a tube structure, a smaller fraction of Realm B.
And what does this have to do with L1-C? Even if they are confined inside the tubes, it still doesn't give any information about the size of the axis (if that's what you claim) that confines them.
 
Per @Ultima_Reality and @Elizhaa: "If the 2-Digit layer was infinitely large (From its own point of view) and yet was contained inside of a finite box to 1-Digits, then that's certainly be a slam dunk on the matter of proving qualitative transcendence is at play here."

Per @Qawsedf234: "If there's an infinite number of 2-A spaces contained within a fraction of a [larger] space, that would require a 5-D space to contain them."

We have an infinite-sized Realm A (Space Beyond) that contains infinite multiverses.

Realm A exists as a finite tube within an even larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream).

Based on the prior staff statements, the larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream) can be called qualitatively superior.
You need that bigger space containing or embeding the universe in it self. Qaw say just being bigger not same as embeding the universe

Yeah from what i know it not just contain, but make the universe as subexistence of that space. So no matter you add the size of that universe or no matter how big the universe are, it will never reach the size of that space
 
You need that bigger space containing or embeding the universe in it self. Qaw say just being bigger not same as embeding the universe

Yeah from what i know it not just contain, but make the universe as subexistence of that space. So no matter you add the size of that universe or no matter how big the universe are, it will never reach the size of that space
That's only if you want Realm A (The Container of the Multiverses) to be Low 1-C.

Realm B is the container of Realm A.
 
And what does this have to do with L1-C? Even if they are confined inside the tubes, it still doesn't give any information about the size of the axis (if that's what you claim) that confines them.
The gist from the above staff is that if an infinite Realm A is a smaller size when viewed in Realm B, Qualitative Superiority is at play.
 
That's only if you want Realm A (The Container of the Multiverses) to be Low 1-C.

Realm B is the container of Realm A.
It same i think
Just as subset can be same as it superset. Realm A and B can be just same in size and existence

If realm A is only some subexistence of realm B then we can say realm B is significantly superior in size and in existence
 
The gist from the above staff is that if an infinite Realm A is a smaller size when viewed in Realm B, Qualitative Superiority is at play.
That would have been the case before the standards changed at best. Now what you're saying is no different from the issue with Space Beyond.

Timestream only contains a structure that contains infinite amount of 2-As. There is no statement or anything for to claim more.
 
We have an infinite-sized Realm A (Space Beyond) that contains infinite multiverses.

Realm A exists as a finite tube within an even larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream).

Based on the prior staff statements, the larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream) can be called qualitatively superior.
For this to work you have to prove that the Space Beyond contains infinite multiverses. From what I see the scene just says that there's a future multiverse in front of them.

Realm B is the same. You have to prove the Timestream is infinite in scope or that the Realm Beyond takes up an infinitesimal space within it.
 
For this to work you have to prove that the Space Beyond contains infinite multiverses. From what I see the scene just says that there's a future multiverse in front of them.
It's been previously accepted by staff that the Space Beyond contains an infinite number of multiverses.
Realm B is the same. You have to prove the Timestream is infinite in scope or that the Realm Beyond takes up an infinitesimal space within it.
I'm getting mixed messages from you and other staff.

If Realm A is infinite in size and inside Realm B, does it need to be depicted as finite, any small fraction, or infinitesimal in comparison Realm B to apply QS?
 
previously accepted by staff that the Space Beyond contains an infinite number of multiverses.
So what's the statement saying that?

If Realm A is infinite in size and inside Realm B, does it need to be depicted as finite, any small fraction, or infinitesimal in comparison Realm B to apply QS?
It's the principal of a power set or a set of infinite infinities. It'd not just a small space, it has to be infinitesimal (or the space has to be called infinite in comparison).
 
It's been previously accepted by staff that the Space Beyond contains an infinite number of multiverses.

I'm getting mixed messages from you and other staff.

If Realm A is infinite in size and inside Realm B, does it need to be depicted as finite, any small fraction, or infinitesimal in comparison Realm B to apply QS?
I didn't want to interfere, but they don't give QS anymore. This was already mentioned in the title.

Coming to another topic, this will be the 5th axis of space because it contains infinite multiverses that do not touch each other, but the fact that this space is infinite and contains multiverses does not mean that the 5th axis of space is infinite. Only 4th axis size (4th dimensional volume) is infinite because it contains essentially infinite 4-dimensional multiverses, and to contain them, your 4th dimensional volume must be infinite.

When it comes to the 5th axis, it is an additional vertical axis where the multiverses do not touch each other and are located in 0 volume, but the infinite multiverses that do not touch each other does not make this axis infinite because basically they are only infinite as much as the 4th axis can cover and any 4-dimensional, infinite structure has 0 volume in the trivial 5th axis.

The fact that these infinite multiverses are inside the 5th axis does not make it infinite because no matter how large the 4-dimensional multiverses are, they will always have 0 volume on the 5th axis because they do not have the 5th axis anyway. This means only 4 axes are infinite.
 
It's the principal of a power set or a set of infinite infinities. It'd not just a small space, it has to be infinitesimal (or the space has to be called infinite in comparison).
So for example, I could have an Infinite Realm be the size of a basketball in a higher plane, and that wouldn't qualify for QS?
 
Only if the realm itself was infinite in comparison. Just being bigger isn't enough.
You said earlier that "If there's an infinite number of 2-A spaces contained within a fraction of a space, that would require a 5-D space to contain them." Ultima and Elizaa share the same sentiment of just being a smaller size is enough.

I'm not sure how one would portray an infinitesimal realm without someone arguing that it's some unknown finite size. IE: a realm that exists on the head of a pin can still be considered finite and not infinitesimal.

In addition, wouldn't only accepting higher spaces if they are infinite ignore the existance of finite higher spaces. IE: an infinite 6D space can exist inside a finite or an infinite 7D space.

How do we resolve these issues?
 
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You said earlier that "If there's an infinite number of 2-A spaces contained within a fraction of a space, that would require a 5-D space to contain them."
I did say that, but a key point there is "an infinite number". No one has shown that there's an infinite number of different multiverses in that space. Just two.
 
Sorry. I was away from my desktop and limited to my replies on mobile.
So what's the statement saying that?
I did say that, but a key point there is "an infinite number". No one has shown that there's an infinite number of different multiverses in that space. Just two.
Here's a recent image of the Space Beyond.

It's accepted by staff that there are an infinite number of timelines in the Space Beyond. Each timeline has its own multiverse.
 
I'm not seeing where the staff accepts an infinite number of multiverses in the Space Beyond. Just that the Multiverse itself is 2-A in size.

The first image can imply a Low 1-C rating but you would still need a direct statement saying there's an infinite number of them for a solid upgrade.
 
I'm not seeing where the staff accepts an infinite number of multiverses in the Space Beyond. Just that the Multiverse itself is 2-A in size.

The first image can imply a Low 1-C rating but you would still need a direct statement saying there's an infinite number of them for a solid upgrade.
The above thread accepted that there are an infinite number of timeline branches.
  • Per Paradox, there are "Ad infinitum" timeline branches.
  • Maltruant says that the timestream is infinite, meaning the branching of timelines in the timestream is infinite as well.
This thread accepted that each timeline branch has its own multiverse.

In turn, we have infinite multiverses.
 
The above thread accepted that there are an infinite number of timeline branches.
  • Per Paradox, there are "Ad infinitum" timeline branches.
  • Maltruant says that the timestream is infinite, meaning the branching of timelines in the timestream is infinite as well.
And both of these statements are just 2A. Infinite timelines in an infinite timestream is just a 2-A structure.

turn, we have infinite multiverses.
I can see the Space Beyond being possibly Low 1-C then.
 
I'm not seeing where the staff accepts an infinite number of multiverses in the Space Beyond. Just that the Multiverse itself is 2-A in size.

The first image can imply a Low 1-C rating but you would still need a direct statement saying there's an infinite number of them for a solid upgrade.
A question about low 1C, i think this a bit relevant with this thread

Some number of 2A structures being contained in a infinity space, yeah of course the 2A structure being limited or finite in that space. Can that be low 1C?? Because you say we need infinity in comparison
 
Yes, why is everyone here "ignoring the newly changed standards and constantly running in circles as with the old standards"?

Was the previous thread opened in vain?

Why are the standards offered by Firestorm, which have already changed, constantly discussed in the same way and attempts are made to return them to the old standards? The new standards clearly state that this is not Low 1-C...
 
Some number of 2A structures being contained in a infinity space, yeah of course the 2A structure being limited or finite in that space. Can that be low 1C?? Because you say we need infinity in comparison
This has already been discussed and rejected before. That's why the standards have changed.
 
An infinite set composed of all types of infinities. As I've explained and said multiple times before.
One more question sir, what about structure that can contain (not necesarry already contain) infinite number of 2A???
For what i get from your statement structure that contain infinite multiverses (2A structures) will probably get low 1C
 
With that in mind, can we call the larger Realm B (Realm of the Timestream) qualitatively superior?
No, not without a direct statement saying there's an infinite amount of those multiverses across the void. The most you can get is a possibly rating since nothing directly implies they take up an infinitesimal space

One more question sir, what about structure that can contain (not necesarry already contain) infinite number of 2A???
I've already answered that. It's not enough on its own as having a non-universal 5th dimensional axis would be enough to contain an infinite number of multiverses.
 
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