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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Ghengiroo115 said:
Is anyone in the thread willing to calculate the Mechamorphs and Helix’s durability from this feat (if possible)?

Btw forgot to mention it before, but thanks @GeneralSol16 for this list! Sometime later I think I’ll put this stuff plus some other relevant feats into a sandbox or something to make it easy to find.
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Are there more tier 5 feats or scaling, that you know?
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Are there more tier 5 feats or scaling, that you know?
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The characters could downscale from Way Big’s Conquest Ray feat, he completely overpowers it so it’s good support for planetary. They could also (down)scale to Anodite Gwen being over Highbreed warships if you either scale OV cast to her or scaled her relatively to UA Way Big. Those are the only two I can think of for now. Edit: Ultimate Aggregor’s statements might put him above both of these weapons considering how they’re worded.

Aside from main tier 5 feats, there’s also the Talpaedans’ High 6-A asteroid belt statement and Goop’s High 6-A feat of stabilising Piscciss.
 
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Ghengiroo115 said:
The characters could downscale from Way Big’s Conquest Ray feat, he completely overpowers it so it’s good support for planetary. They could also (down)scale to Anodite Gwen being over Highbreed warships if you either scale OV cast to her or scaled her relatively to UA Way Big. Those are the only two I can think of for now. Edit: Ultimate Aggregor’s statements might put him above both of these weapons considering how they’re worded.

Aside from main tier 5 feats, there’s also the Talpaedans’ High 6-A asteroid belt statement and Goop’s High 6-A feat of stabilising Piscciss.
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So the total feats, alongside who scales (only mentioning the base cast or characters the base cast downscale from):
  1. Highbreed fleet destroys Galvan Prime (High 5-A; 1.46 Quettatons): Anodite Gwen and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
  2. Ascalon is used by the Incursean Warrior to accidentally destroy their home planet (High 5-A; 701.6 Ronnatons): Ultimate Humungousaur and Way Big (from Eatle) scale to this.
  3. The Great One survives the destruction of planets (High 5-A; 118.28 Ronnatons): base cast and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
  4. The Petrosapien Back-Up Crystal is used by Vilgax to destroy Petropia (5-A; 1.61 Ronnatons): Ascalon and arguably AF Vilgax scale to this.
  5. Incursean Conquest Ray destroys Pluto and threatens to destroy Earth (5-A; 89.129 Yottatons): Way Big and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
  6. The Galvanic Mechamorphs reconstruct Galvan B (Low 5-B; 1.82 Zettatons each): base cast scale to this.
  7. The secondary Helix threatens to destroy Galvan B (5-C; 29.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  8. Talpaedans turn their planet into an asteroid belt (High 6-A; 6.21 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  9. The Sub Energy is stated to be 20x the power of the sun and capable of blowing up a continent (High 6-A; 1.82 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  10. Goop stabilises planet Piscciss (High 6-A; 1.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  11. The Galvanic Mechamorphs and Helix survive the destruction of Galvan B (calc needed): base cast scale to this.
If a name is underlined, it means they either only scale due to out of series statements or because the base cast gets their downscaling from out of series statements. It’s not that I think out of series statements are bad or anything especially not when they add consistency to the series, it’s just in case other people have issues with them.
Later I’ll put this into a sandbox or something, alongside the relevant scans and evidence for characters scaling. This is just a very brief summary.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Isn't the aggregate already 4-B? Or are we removing 4-B scaling?
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I don’t like the 4-B scaling, but I probably won’t be attempting to remove it myself because then I’d have to edit so many profiles if it passed lol

This is half just for my personal scaling, and half a group of replacement feats for if the 4-B rating ends up getting removed by someone else.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
So the total feats, alongside who scales (only mentioning the base cast or characters the base cast downscale from):
  1. Highbreed fleet destroys Galvan Prime (High 5-A; 1.46 Quettatons): Anodite Gwen and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
  2. Ascalon is used by the Incursean Warrior to accidentally destroy their home planet (High 5-A; 701.6 Ronnatons): Ultimate Humungousaur and Way Big (from Eatle) scale to this.
  3. The Great One survives the destruction of planets (High 5-A; 118.28 Ronnatons): base cast and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
  4. The Petrosapien Back-Up Crystal is used by Vilgax to destroy Petropia (5-A; 1.61 Ronnatons): Ascalon and arguably AF Vilgax scale to this.
  5. Incursean Conquest Ray destroys Pluto and threatens to destroy Earth (5-A; 89.129 Yottatons): Way Big and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
  6. The Galvanic Mechamorphs reconstruct Galvan B (Low 5-B; 1.82 Zettatons each): base cast scale to this.
  7. The secondary Helix threatens to destroy Galvan B (5-C; 29.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  8. Talpaedans turn their planet into an asteroid belt (High 6-A; 6.21 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  9. The Sub Energy is stated to be 20x the power of the sun and capable of blowing up a continent (High 6-A; 1.82 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  10. Goop stabilises planet Piscciss (High 6-A; 1.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
  11. The Galvanic Mechamorphs and Helix survive the destruction of Galvan B (calc needed): base cast scale to this.
If a name is underlined, it means they either only scale due to out of series statements or because the base cast gets their downscaling from out of series statements. It’s not that I think out of series statements are bad or anything especially not when they add consistency to the series, it’s just in case other people have issues with them.
Later I’ll put this into a sandbox or something, alongside the relevant scans and evidence for characters scaling. This is just a very brief summary.
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This is what I call consistency lmao
 
Shouldn't 11 Year Old Ditto be stronger than his 10 year old Self for hurting Eon a little bit? At the very least that's better than what he did in OS.
 
A quick question: what things are closest to the 4-B Aggregor feat? I know about Element X and Ma Vreedle’s rocket, but is there anything closer?
 
Genuinely what was Vulkanus’ plan when he was trying to put Element X into the molten iron in the Galactic Enforcers episode? Not only does OV confirm that the explosion happens immediately (something already implied in the OS episode), but it also shows Vulkanus’ body getting completely obliterated by an imperfect bonding of the two elements. If Vulkanus and SixSix succeeded they would’ve died lol
 
GeneralSol16 said:
So according to Paradox, Clockwork 10K and Way Big had enough power to destroy the Hands of Armageddon throughout space and time, every version.

Could this be a High 3-A feat?
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I thought about this, but it gets weird since Jetray ends up seemingly singlehandedly (pun intended) destroying all the Hands later on. Unless of course he didn’t destroy them all, as it’s never explicitly stated he did and you’d presumably need some space-time power like Clockwork to actually achieve a feat like that.
 
As an aside I wonder how durable the Hands is while its defences are activated. iirc there’s a pop-up trivia statement that says the Hands are defenceless while they’re active (this explains inconsistencies in both RAT and UA).
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
As an aside I wonder how durable the Hands is while its defences are activated. iirc there’s a pop-up trivia statement that says the Hands are defenceless while they’re active (this explains inconsistencies in both RAT and UA).
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So, UA Way Big and Clockwork would output enough power to destroy them across space and time, while Jetray and Wildmutt just a defenseless HoA? Even then, shouldn't Jetray still scale to that?
 
Do we take Ben's Aliens getting stronger as the series goes on? Like Diamondhead went from doing Zero damage or flinching Vilgax with his crystals in Secrets to knocking him off his ass with them in Back With a Vengeance, Four Arms got his ass beat by Kevin 11 to knocking Technorg on his ass while Kevin was unable to make him flinch without combining his powers.
 
BlastX said:
Do we take Ben's Aliens getting stronger as the series goes on? Like Diamondhead went from doing Zero damage or flinching Vilgax with his crystals in Secrets to knocking him off his ass with them in Back With a Vengeance, Four Arms got his ass beat by Kevin 11 to knocking Technorg on his ass while Kevin was unable to make him flinch without combining his powers.
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Yeah, Ben's aliens should definitely get Accelerated Development
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Idk about Map of Infinity (where does that even scale?), but he should be above Eon and Ben has that “create any universe he imagines” statement using the power of both Ascalon and Dagon. Ascalon also has statements of being able to tap into the primal/fundamental forces of the universe, if that’s worth anything. I think the statements from Vilgax and Azmuth about Dagon destroying the universe are too vague and could be argued to be an over time thing, but there are other ways for him to reach universal and higher.
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Map of Infinity should be at least 1-B given there's a statement that suggests it can bend "all of space and time"
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Btw something I noticed: the base characters scale to 1.04226 TeraFoe while Ultimate Aggregor scales to 9.475086 TeraFoe, but Greg’s durability is explicitly 6-7x the level of these characters (depending on whether you treat P’andor’s suit as a separate thing or not) which should make their stats 1.57918 TeraFoe or 1.35358 TeraFoe.

Edit: realised the problem. The 1.04… rating comes from scaling initial Ultimate Kevin to Ultimate Greg and then adding 1/10th of Ultimate Greg’s power to him. Ultimate Humungousaur is then scaled to Kevin, and base cast are made to be 1/10th Ultimate Hugh. The problem is that Kevin is not comparable to Greg, he completely stomped him. The 1.57… or 1.35… ratings make more sense when considering Kevin’s power.
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The thing is, we don't know how high he was as compared to Greg when he absorbed the ultimatrix, so he is at least >= greg.
Then he becomes equal to ult hum when he absorbs greg, that's how the calc is made.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
So, UA Way Big and Clockwork would output enough power to destroy them across space and time, while Jetray and Wildmutt just a defenseless HoA? Even then, shouldn't Jetray still scale to that?
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I believe Jetray would scale if he destroyed them all yeah, since he’d be destroying an infinite amount of matter at once regardless of its durability. I’m just not sure he did, not even for outlier reasons or anything but because it seemed like they needed both AP and time hax to destroy them all at once.

Hellformer said:
Map of Infinity should be at least 1-B given there's a statement that suggests it can bend "all of space and time"
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Neat

Hellformer said:
The thing is, we don't know how high he was as compared to Greg when he absorbed the ultimatrix, so he is at least >= greg.
Then he becomes equal to ult hum when he absorbs greg, that's how the calc is made.
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The problem is that this makes the regular aliens’ stats weaker than they should be. Based on how Ultimate Greg’s absorption works, the base cast should be 1/6th his strength since Greg has the full power of 6 aliens plus himself. However by scaling Ultimate Kevin and Ultimate Humungousaur vaguely over Greg, the aliens end up at 1/10th of Greg instead of 1/6th.

It makes more sense to scale the aliens to 1/6th of Greg and then times that by 10 to get UH and Post-Greg Kevin’s stats. It’s more accurate to how the fight with Kevin and Greg went down, and it doesn’t make the 10x UH statement contradict Greg having the power of only 6 beings.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
The problem is that this makes the regular aliens’ stats weaker than they should be. Based on how Ultimate Greg’s absorption works, the base cast should be 1/6th his strength since Greg has the full power of 6 aliens plus himself. However by scaling Ultimate Kevin and Ultimate Humungousaur vaguely over Greg, the aliens end up at 1/10th of Greg instead of 1/6th.

It makes more sense to scale the aliens to 1/6th of Greg and then times that by 10 to get UH and Post-Greg Kevin’s stats. It’s more accurate to how the fight with Kevin and Greg went down, and it doesn’t make the 10x UH statement contradict Greg having the power of only 6 beings.
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That makes sense to me
 
me or someone else will make a new thread to apply the speed ratings since no one really scales to mftl anymore
 
Robo432343 said:
me or someone else will make a new thread to apply the speed ratings since no one really scales to mftl anymore
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You didn't read your own thread, did you? The tier was not removed, Firestorm and Reiner are working on the new scaling chain blog so we can avoid having way weaker / slower characters scale to the highest tiers in each section.

Do something like that and you'll have to get reported
 
GeneralSol16 said:
You didn't read your own thread, did you? The tier was not removed, Firestorm and Reiner are working on the new scaling chain blog so we can avoid having way weaker / slower characters scale to the highest tiers in each section.

Do something like that and you'll have to get reported
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I have to make a new thread because Reiner is not here anymore
 
Has anyone tried to calc how much strength does Way Big generate when he moved on water, generated a tornado and send a giant trash monster into space and into the sun?
 
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