Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

[Ommf_Deity]

I have a group of friends who are Ben 10 fans. But they think Alien X created only one universe and haven't quite grasped the concept of Timelines. You guys are an expert on Ben 10. How can I explain these details to my friends, who are also Ben 10 fans but don't know much details, in the simplest way possible?

Refer to them the parallel paradox comics, Where Paradox confirmed Ben created the time there. You can also use Maltruant not being able to manipulate time.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Is anyone in the thread willing to calculate the Mechamorphs and Helix’s durability from this feat (if possible)?

Btw forgot to mention it before, but thanks @GeneralSol16 for this list! Sometime later I think I’ll put this stuff plus some other relevant feats into a sandbox or something to make it easy to find.

Are there more tier 5 feats or scaling, that you know?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Are there more tier 5 feats or scaling, that you know?

The characters could downscale from Way Big’s Conquest Ray feat, he completely overpowers it so it’s good support for planetary. They could also (down)scale to Anodite Gwen being over Highbreed warships if you either scale OV cast to her or scaled her relatively to UA Way Big. Those are the only two I can think of for now. Edit: Ultimate Aggregor’s statements might put him above both of these weapons considering how they’re worded.

Aside from main tier 5 feats, there’s also the Talpaedans’ High 6-A asteroid belt statement and Goop’s High 6-A feat of stabilising Piscciss.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

The characters could downscale from Way Big’s Conquest Ray feat, he completely overpowers it so it’s good support for planetary. They could also (down)scale to Anodite Gwen being over Highbreed warships if you either scale OV cast to her or scaled her relatively to UA Way Big. Those are the only two I can think of for now. Edit: Ultimate Aggregor’s statements might put him above both of these weapons considering how they’re worded.

Aside from main tier 5 feats, there’s also the Talpaedans’ High 6-A asteroid belt statement and Goop’s High 6-A feat of stabilising Piscciss.

So the total feats, alongside who scales (only mentioning the base cast or characters the base cast downscale from):

Spoiler

1. Highbreed fleet destroys Galvan Prime (High 5-A; 1.46 Quettatons): Anodite Gwen and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
2. Ascalon is used by the Incursean Warrior to accidentally destroy their home planet (High 5-A; 701.6 Ronnatons): Ultimate Humungousaur and Way Big (from Eatle) scale to this.
3. The Great One survives the destruction of planets (High 5-A; 118.28 Ronnatons): base cast and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
4. The Petrosapien Back-Up Crystal is used by Vilgax to destroy Petropia (5-A; 1.61 Ronnatons): Ascalon and arguably AF Vilgax scale to this.
5. Incursean Conquest Ray destroys Pluto and threatens to destroy Earth (5-A; 89.129 Yottatons): Way Big and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
6. The Galvanic Mechamorphs reconstruct Galvan B (Low 5-B; 1.82 Zettatons each): base cast scale to this.
7. The secondary Helix threatens to destroy Galvan B (5-C; 29.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
8. Talpaedans turn their planet into an asteroid belt (High 6-A; 6.21 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
9. The Sub Energy is stated to be 20x the power of the sun and capable of blowing up a continent (High 6-A; 1.82 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
10. Goop stabilises planet Piscciss (High 6-A; 1.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
11. The Galvanic Mechamorphs and Helix survive the destruction of Galvan B (calc needed): base cast scale to this.

If a name is underlined, it means they either only scale due to out of series statements or because the base cast gets their downscaling from out of series statements. It’s not that I think out of series statements are bad or anything especially not when they add consistency to the series, it’s just in case other people have issues with them.

Later I’ll put this into a sandbox or something, alongside the relevant scans and evidence for characters scaling. This is just a very brief summary.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Isn't the aggregate already 4-B? Or are we removing 4-B scaling?

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Isn't the aggregate already 4-B? Or are we removing 4-B scaling?

I don’t like the 4-B scaling, but I probably won’t be attempting to remove it myself because then I’d have to edit so many profiles if it passed lol

This is half just for my personal scaling, and half a group of replacement feats for if the 4-B rating ends up getting removed by someone else.

 

[GeneralSol16]

So the total feats, alongside who scales (only mentioning the base cast or characters the base cast downscale from):

Spoiler

1. Highbreed fleet destroys Galvan Prime (High 5-A; 1.46 Quettatons): Anodite Gwen and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
2. Ascalon is used by the Incursean Warrior to accidentally destroy their home planet (High 5-A; 701.6 Ronnatons): Ultimate Humungousaur and Way Big (from Eatle) scale to this.
3. The Great One survives the destruction of planets (High 5-A; 118.28 Ronnatons): base cast and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
4. The Petrosapien Back-Up Crystal is used by Vilgax to destroy Petropia (5-A; 1.61 Ronnatons): Ascalon and arguably AF Vilgax scale to this.
5. Incursean Conquest Ray destroys Pluto and threatens to destroy Earth (5-A; 89.129 Yottatons): Way Big and Ultimate Aggregor scale to this.
6. The Galvanic Mechamorphs reconstruct Galvan B (Low 5-B; 1.82 Zettatons each): base cast scale to this.
7. The secondary Helix threatens to destroy Galvan B (5-C; 29.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
8. Talpaedans turn their planet into an asteroid belt (High 6-A; 6.21 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
9. The Sub Energy is stated to be 20x the power of the sun and capable of blowing up a continent (High 6-A; 1.82 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
10. Goop stabilises planet Piscciss (High 6-A; 1.6 Exatons): base cast scale to this.
11. The Galvanic Mechamorphs and Helix survive the destruction of Galvan B (calc needed): base cast scale to this.

If a name is underlined, it means they either only scale due to out of series statements or because the base cast gets their downscaling from out of series statements. It’s not that I think out of series statements are bad or anything especially not when they add consistency to the series, it’s just in case other people have issues with them.

Later I’ll put this into a sandbox or something, alongside the relevant scans and evidence for characters scaling. This is just a very brief summary.

This is what I call consistency lmao

 

[BlastX]

Shouldn't 11 Year Old Ditto be stronger than his 10 year old Self for hurting Eon a little bit? At the very least that's better than what he did in OS.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

A quick question: what things are closest to the 4-B Aggregor feat? I know about Element X and Ma Vreedle’s rocket, but is there anything closer?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

A quick question: what things are closest to the 4-B Aggregor feat? I know about Element X and Ma Vreedle’s rocket, but is there anything closer?

It's in 4-B upgrade thread

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Genuinely what was Vulkanus’ plan when he was trying to put Element X into the molten iron in the Galactic Enforcers episode? Not only does OV confirm that the explosion happens immediately (something already implied in the OS episode), but it also shows Vulkanus’ body getting completely obliterated by an imperfect bonding of the two elements. If Vulkanus and SixSix succeeded they would’ve died lol

 

[BlastX]

They wanted to go out in a bang.