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Yeah, in certain cases just say "All previous transformations" and add "Except for X" in case some previous transformations is inaccessible to him (EG:Feedback, The Ultimates and stuff like that)
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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread
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BlastX
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Not sure, like we shouldn't get too trigger happy with profile splits so maybe make a draft with Ben profile combined and then if it's actually too bloated we separate it.
Though if we do split Kid Ben maybe we can make a tabber for each season (and any Movie or special in between) and one for the Omniverse Flashbacks.
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Yeah I can do that, although I predict it’ll probably need splitting.
I think at least three keys (Pre-Season 4, Season 4 and OV), but maybe more if there’s anything necessary to add or seclude.
Maybe
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Season 1 (Iconic, has only the original 10 and it's the most limited)
Season 2 (Gain Cannonbolt and Wildvine, Losses Ghostfreak, more experienced with his aliens, has Master Control for a bit)
Season 3 (Gains Blitzwolfer, Snare-Oh, Frankenstrike, True Form Ghostfreak and Upchuck, more experienced and all that other shit)
Season 4 & Post-Series specials (Gains Eye Guy, Way Big and Ditto, learns and gains other shit, Destroy All Aliens gets lumped here too)
OV Flashbacks (Gains Arctiguana & Feedback but losses the latter, more experienced, watch basically has no cooldown and rarely mistransforms, aliens should be a bit stronger since they're 1 year older and uses his expanded roster more...still not using his anur aliens ; - ; )
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Ghengiroo115
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Oh yeah he would definitely need his profile split then. I think also AF Ben and UA Ben might need two keys each.
BlastX
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Also Malware's profile is going to take a bit to be updated now that my CRT is accepted cause adding essentially two more keys and reworking the ones he has is a bit more work than anticipated, I might make a sandbox before that...although if anyone wants to update it first be my guest.
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I would've preferred to just having Alien X as a key with his transformations, I mean, in lore, he's just one part of Ben's ""army."
Nut that would make Ben's matches imposible ig, so he need to be excluded.
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We could have "Destroy All Aliens" as a key.
Is Ben after everything of the OS, but before Feedback / OV's flashbacks
And OV Flashbacks as two keys (lol: Pre and post losing Feedback), or just as one and he always will have Feedback for his matches.
I don't completely agree on the recharge thing, but aside from that, yes, he's definitely stronger and more versatile now.
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I feel that can be lumped with Season 4 because he doesn't really gain anything new until right after DAA where he gains Arctiguana & Feedback, it's essentially the same Ben.
I feel that you can restrict Feedback and be done with it...but his Feedback addiction does impact how he acts in matches, so who knows.
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We could have them like:
Kid Ben: Season 1 | Season 2 | Season 3 | Destroy All Aliens | Omniverse Flashbacks.
AF Ben: Season 1-2 | Season 3.
(He never mistransforrms during S1/2, but he only had access to10 aliens. S3 mistransforrms a lot, but he gained access to Earth, Lodestar, Nanomech, Way Big, Cannolbolt and Upchuck.)
UA Ben: Season 1-2 | Season 3.
(More aliens than AF Ben and some Ultimates for S1/2, and he doesn't have access to Alien X. By S3 he gained access to all hus previous aliens, used Ultimate Way Big, and unlocked Jury Rigg, Clockwork, Eatle and Fasttrack).
OV Ben: Arc 1-2 | Arc 3-7 | Arc 8 | Final.
(At the beginning of OV, Ben didn't know how to use the watch and he was more prepotentt, by arc 3/4, he started to understand more the New Omnitrix, unlocked Atomix and Whanmpire, during the majority of S8 he had Skurd at his base, almost knows how to use his Omnitrix. By the literal end of the series, he finally learned how the Omnitrix works, he never mistransforrms, as we see in Super Secret Crisis war, -which was published a year after OV ended, so that could be a basis, he also gained a bigger understating of his aliens, and has control over Alien X).
Kid Ben: Season 1 | Season 2 | Season 3 | Destroy All Aliens | Omniverse Flashbacks.
AF Ben: Season 1-2 | Season 3.
(He never mistransforrms during S1/2, but he only had access to10 aliens. S3 mistransforrms a lot, but he gained access to Earth, Lodestar, Nanomech, Way Big, Cannolbolt and Upchuck.)
UA Ben: Season 1-2 | Season 3.
(More aliens than AF Ben and some Ultimates for S1/2, and he doesn't have access to Alien X. By S3 he gained access to all hus previous aliens, used Ultimate Way Big, and unlocked Jury Rigg, Clockwork, Eatle and Fasttrack).
OV Ben: Arc 1-2 | Arc 3-7 | Arc 8 | Final.
(At the beginning of OV, Ben didn't know how to use the watch and he was more prepotentt, by arc 3/4, he started to understand more the New Omnitrix, unlocked Atomix and Whanmpire, during the majority of S8 he had Skurd at his base, almost knows how to use his Omnitrix. By the literal end of the series, he finally learned how the Omnitrix works, he never mistransforrms, as we see in Super Secret Crisis war, -which was published a year after OV ended, so that could be a basis, he also gained a bigger understating of his aliens, and has control over Alien X).
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He gained Way Big after Season 4.
And him being a normal, non "top tier" thing was until DAA
BlastX
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I'm more of a "SOTO happens at the beginning of Season 4 rather than the end" guy myself hence why I listed it as part of Season 4.
Also what do you mean with "Normal non "Top tier""?
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SotO is canonically after S4:
Even being considered the end of the OS:
I-10: The Ben 10 User Generated Experience/Gallery
Quick Facts Fan Content Images Videos
ben10.fandom.com
That he would use casually by DAA Ben, but I don't think so for OS Ben.
Also, key him as "Secret of the Omnitrix" would be weird, cuz the watch Is at his worst and he only unlocked Way Big until the end of the movie.
BlastX
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TBF Ben not using Way Big when he could/should is absurdly (and sadly) In Character, so I could definitely believe he could have had him in his back pocket for Season 4 and not use him once, though it's not like anything he faces in Season 4 actually merits using him.
So I guess Season 4 & Post Series specials is fitting then (plus with how SOTO is counted as three episodes for season 4 in episode count I feel it's fitting).
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I'm still voting for a *Destroy All Aliens " key, but, whatever, it doesn't change a thing
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Normally a key covers everything the character has by the end of the portion in the story, so a DAA key and a Season 4 key would functionally be the same thing regardless of SOTO’s placement chronologically.
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Yo, does anyone have the scan of Clockwork time traveling in a magazine forcing the reader to solve a puzzle on hand?
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He did?
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Not the puzzle, buy I got the scan where it is said that he can time travel.
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Uh thx, but I need the puzzle one I’m afraid.
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BlastX
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I meant as in him keeping up with Modern Aliens as shown in his fight with Humungousaur in Malefactor.
I was just throwing it out there, not saying him absorbing Omni Energy was the reason he got stronger.
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I don’t think he got (much) stronger, he basically ran from Humungousaur and a stronger version of him was later equal to Humungousaur.
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Or we heavily overestimate the gap between OS and later series?
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Ben literally says that his strength increases "a lot".
Malware was knocked out by a practical indirect slap from Humungousau tail, that shouldn't scale him at all.
Also, the only alien that fought against 3rd form Malware was Feedback, who always amped himself with Malsare's own energy.
So yeah, none of Ben's 11 years old aliens would scale at all.
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Way Big
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Why would he? Way Big and Azmuth as Way Big were relatively at the same level as the Relaliator armor, and being a regular Mechamorph (probably), it should be below Malware.
Also, there's no a statemate of Way Big being "Ben's strongest alien" during OV flashbacks.
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BlastX
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Forge of Creation.
BlastX
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I think Retaliator scaling to Way Big is considered an outlier.
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Oh right, they just did a lifting strength feat though. And OS Heatblast was pressing Armored Kevin before that.
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It shouldn’t be, just scale specific weaponry to Way Big. It doesn’t make sense for Azmuth’s dad to use an armor that can’t at least hurt Way Big a little.
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True.
Maybe in AP via weaponry scales, but physically scales fo his LS, since Dadzmith literally broke Ben's grip, even when he was trying to clap him
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And that would make sense, since Azmuth liquified him with just a punch and a stomp.
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Should flashback Feedback has the same absorption cap as present Feedback?
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I don't think so.
We've seen that the abilities of Ben's aliens get stronger with age too (Like Diamondhead crustalkinesis).
He should be around "Way higher with absorption" or smith like that.
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