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Introduction
This thread mainly focuses on upgrading the Ben 10 cosmology to High 1-B, as a result, upgrading few characters and weapons.Premise
In order to prove the Ben 10 cosmology being High 1-B, I would introduce a new Universe inside the Space Beyond that is stated to be infinite dimensional in "Ghost Ship" comic whose canonicity has already been accepted.Explanation
The aliens mentioned in this comic, exist in a different Annihilarrgh Universe (where "Universe" refers to the creation of Annihilarrgh in Ben 10: Omniverse, as accepted in this thread )."We are beings from an incalculable dimension that defies the limits of space and time. A glorious universe unfathomable to a primitive mind such as yours"
"My formal denomination and the breadth of my functionality are incomprehensible to a lower life from"
"The final destination of our heroic voyage on this celebrated Transdimensional vessel is a small, insignificant blue planet in this star system, on which lies our destiny"
- The beings in question describe themselves as originating from a universe with infinite spatio-temporal dimensions, a reality that far exceeds the limitations of our three-dimensional space and linear time. Noticeably, these beings separate "universe" from "dimension" in their own dialogue. This distinction emphasizes that the complexity lies due to these infinite dimensions, not just the universe itself. In this infinite-D universe, their existence defies the conventional boundaries of space and time, allowing them to perceive and interact with dimensions that are incomprehensible to human minds.
- When they refer to their "formal denomination" and "breadth of functionality" they are alluding to their higher dimensional nature, complex identity and vast capabilities, which are shaped by the infinite dimensions they inhabit. To a being constrained by a limited understanding of the universe, such as a human, these concepts would be utterly incomprehensible. Thus, they emphasize that their nature and abilities cannot be grasped by "lower life forms/lower dimensional beings" that are bound by the simpler, more primitive framework of a finite-dimensional universe (Ben's Universe has 6-D rating).
A: The term "incalculable" was used by these aliens in reference to all 3-D beings like Ben, implying that the number of dimensions in their universe is beyond calculation for 3-D beings. However, since we know that Maltruant (another 3-D being) could calculate infinity and the range of the infinite Universe, when creating a copy of Annihilarrgh and also the Chronosapien time bomb having both a “1 timeline” and “infinite timelines” setting suggests that infinity is calculable by 3-D beings and their weapons. Hence proving that the term incalculable actually refers to infinite in this context.
Edit: Kindly read this answer again, the incalculable statement was not thrown away randomly, instead it has a context i.e. something that is not calculable by 3-D beings and since I've shown proofs of them being able to calculate infinity, hence incalculable must mean infinite in this context.
Q2: Couldn't these infinite dimensions be compactified?
A: In the context of the beings' dialogue, the infinite dimensions they inhabit cannot be compactified because doing so would reduce the complexity and incomprehensibility they emphasize.
- Compactification is a concept from physics, particularly in string theory, where extra dimensions are "curled up" or made small enough that they are imperceptible at our scale of reality. While compactified dimensions can add complexity to a universe, they remain finite and constrained within a manageable framework.
- The beings describe their universe as one that "defies the limits of space and time" implying that their dimensions are vast, unbounded, and fundamentally different from anything we can conceive. Compactifying these dimensions would contradict this idea, as it would limit their extent and make them potentially understandable, which goes against the beings' assertion that their nature is utterly incomprehensible to lower life forms.
- The infinite nature of these dimensions is what sustains the beings' incomprehensible Universe. If the dimensions were compactified, it would imply a finite, measurable structure that could eventually be understood, even if only theoretically. This would undermine their claim of existing beyond the grasp of any finite-dimensional mind.
- Conclusion: In this context, compactification would diminish the infinite complexity that defines the beings' existence, making it incompatible with their assertion of being beyond human understanding. Therefore, their infinite dimensions must remain unbounded and expansive, preserving the incomprehensibility they emphasize.
A: Short answer, it wouldn't. If you listen to her statement carefully, she says that "Only 26 that matter, I'm sure you'll work it out soon". Implying that out of all the spatio-temporal axes, only 26 matter to her for whatever reason. So this doesn't limit the dimensionality but instead hints that the cosmology might be more vast and expansive.
Q4: Wouldn't these infinite-dimensional aliens being scared of Khyber's dog be considered an anti-feat?
A: That might have been the case if they were at their full size, but they had downsized themselves via their transdimensional vessel which allows them to travel between dimensions and fit into Ben's 3-D world in search of the most powerful weapon of their dimension.
Compatibility with the show:
- The original statement about beings existing in an infinite-dimensional universe can be further contextualized by Professor Paradox's observation: "That is the next universe over, I don't like it at all, the physics are terribly counterintuitive." While Paradox may not specifically reference the universe of these beings, his statement provides a broader framework for understanding the nature of different universes in space beyond within the Ben 10 cosmology.
- Paradox's comment highlights that each universe can operate under its own unique set of physical laws, which may be drastically different from the ones we are familiar with. In this context, the beings' infinite-dimensional universe would naturally possess its own complex physics, far beyond the comprehension of beings from a more conventional universe. The "counterintuitive" physics Paradox reference could mirror the kind of incomprehensibility found in a universe where dimensions are not limited or simplified but instead infinite, leading to a reality that defies all known principles.
- Thus, while Paradox's statement may not directly reference the infinite-dimensional universe, it reinforces the concept that different universes within the Ben 10 multiverse can have radically different physical laws. This supports the idea that the beings' universe, with its infinite spatio-temporal dimensions, would operate under a set of laws so complex that they are incomprehensible to outsiders, aligning with the beings' description of their own and Universe's existence.
Overall Conclusion:
These beings inhabit an infinite-dimensional universe, which is a separate universe within the Space Beyond, making the entire cosmology High 1-B. Anything which is currently rated as 1-B, will be changed to High 1-B except for Ben's Annihilarrgh Universe.So Ben's Universe should get a plain 1-C downgrade instead of possibly higher rating or else there would be no point in difference between both the Universes.
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