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Ben 10 - Annihilargg

Firestorm808 said:
Can someone remind me of Rook's statements on the Anlg?
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This may not be about what you want. But I must first say that Space Beyond is officially known as Cosmos.
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Cosmos

The Cosmos, also known as the Omniverse[2] is the total sum of space-time, comprised of all realities ranging from universes to dimensions to timelines. The number of realities are infinite. In And Then There Were None, every reality in the cosmos, except the No Watch Timeline is briefly erased...
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and In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 1 episode 4. (at 08.17)

Rook said :
Rook : The legends say their deserted ship drifts from Cosmos (Space Beyond) to Cosmos (Space Beyond)
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if it is easy to understand, The Contumelia's ship drifts from Space Beyond to Space Beyond.

and what I'm really saying is there may be more than one Space Beyond. (Maybe up to ad infinitum).

What do you think about this? Personally, I think it will be useful for upgrading Ben 10 Cosmology in the future.
 
NXCHT.66 said:
This may not be about what you want. But I must first say that Space Beyond is officially known as Cosmos.
ben10.fandom.com

Cosmos

The Cosmos, also known as the Omniverse[2] is the total sum of space-time, comprised of all realities ranging from universes to dimensions to timelines. The number of realities are infinite. In And Then There Were None, every reality in the cosmos, except the No Watch Timeline is briefly erased...
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and In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 1 episode 4. (at 08.17)

Rook said :


if it is easy to understand, The Contumelia's ship drifts from Space Beyond to Space Beyond.

and what I'm really saying is there may be more than one Space Beyond. (Maybe up to ad infinitum).

What do you think about this? Personally, I think it will be useful for upgrading Ben 10 Cosmology in the future.
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Bro predicted the upcoming Ben 10 cosmology revision.
 
NXCHT.66 said:
This may not be about what you want. But I must first say that Space Beyond is officially known as Cosmos.
ben10.fandom.com

Cosmos

The Cosmos, also known as the Omniverse[2] is the total sum of space-time, comprised of all realities ranging from universes to dimensions to timelines. The number of realities are infinite. In And Then There Were None, every reality in the cosmos, except the No Watch Timeline is briefly erased...
ben10.fandom.com ben10.fandom.com

and In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 1 episode 4. (at 08.17)

Rook said :


if it is easy to understand, The Contumelia's ship drifts from Space Beyond to Space Beyond.

and what I'm really saying is there may be more than one Space Beyond. (Maybe up to ad infinitum).

What do you think about this? Personally, I think it will be useful for upgrading Ben 10 Cosmology in the future.
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Is there a scan for Rook statement? I can't find it.

Also is the Ben 10 wiki a valid source? Cause in the show the Cosmos also refers to all of existence.
Paradox-'Stop this no or else all of existence will be destroyed!'
Eon-'No! If I cannot rule the Cosmos. Then I will be the one to destroy it!'
<Scan>
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
Is there a scan for Rook statement? I can't find it
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Sorry, the application I use to watch Ben 10 doesn't allow screen recording. But I've already specified it.
NXCHT.66 said:
In Ben 10 Omniverse Season 1 episode 4. (at 08.17)
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
Also is the Ben 10 wiki a valid source?
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I guess some parts are still correct. because this is also stated in the Ben 10 Wiki.
The Cosmos is the total sum of space-time, comprised of all realities ranging from universes to dimensions to timelines. The number of realities are infinite.
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NXCHT.66 said:
Rook said :

if it is easy to understand, The Contumelia's ship drifts from Space Beyond to Space Beyond.

and what I'm really saying is there may be more than one Space Beyond. (Maybe up to ad infinitum).

What do you think about this? Personally, I think it will be useful for upgrading Ben 10 Cosmology in the future.
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I don't think that's how Rook's statement should be interpreted.
 
Firestorm808 said:
This one.

You can say that it creates/destroys all the dimensions at or below the dimensional realm it's located in.
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Didn't Belecus contradict this when the universe got destroyed?
Ben said-'That's the universe. It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus-'Was.'
Indicating that the Annihilarrgh did destroy 'everything there is'.
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BUMP!
Firestorm808 said:
This one.

You can say that it creates/destroys all the dimensions at or below the dimensional realm it's located in.
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Hellformer said:
So do you agree with Annihilarrgh having solid 1-B rating?
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I don't think that's what he means. I think he means that the Annihilarrgh creates/destroys all the higher dimensions depending on in the dimensional realm/white void it's located in. So it would be Varias, at most 1B.

Question Firestorm808. Shouldn't Alien X have immeasurable lifting strength due to recreating and moving everything that the Annihilarrgh destroyed?
 
Although I stated that I agreed this Crt, I think I'm changing my mind right now.
Rook: Ben, in the stories I heard since childhood, the Contumelia go from universe to universe destroying them, not creating them. I suspect that if a universe already exists in this dimension, the Annihilarrgh will destroy it.
Ben: But if there isn't one, the Annihilarrgh will create it.
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Ben: You know what would be great? An explanation. 'Cause some of us didn't grow up in outer space!
Rook: Well, there was an ancient pan-dimensional civilization...the Contumelia. Their favorite pass-time was flitting from parallel universe to parallel universe, scaring the locals.
Ben: Oh, that's mature.
Rook: Yes. But things went poorly if they came to dislike a universe.
Argit: Then they'd whip out their "piece of resistance", the Annihilarrgh!
Ben: Who comes up with these names...?
Octagon: It's full name's longer, but once it goes off, you only have time to say the first part.
Rhomboid: Boom.
Ben: So where are the Contumelia now?
Rook: They died off eons ago. The legends say their deserted ship drifts from cosmos to cosmos, bearing a weapon that can, in fact, destroy the entire universe. Apparently, the stories were true. About this ship, at least.
Argit: And the Annihilarrgh.
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In fact, although the conversations are obvious, there is still an explanation to make: as told by Rook (and as it turns out later in the series), Contumelia travel from universe to universe and destroy universes they don't like using Annihilarrgh. And as can be seen from the conversations between Rook and Ben, the principle of operation of Annihilarrgh is different depending on whether there is a universe somewhere or not. It has already been said many times that Annihilarrgh will destroy not the "multiverse", but only the "universe". In the episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies", everyone was already talking about Annihilarrgh specifically destroying the universe, not the multiverse.
 
Aolphl said:
Although I stated that I agreed this Crt, I think I'm changing my mind right now.

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In fact, although the conversations are obvious, there is still an explanation to make: as told by Rook (and as it turns out later in the series), Contumelia travel from universe to universe and destroy universes they don't like using Annihilarrgh. And as can be seen from the conversations between Rook and Ben, the principle of operation of Annihilarrgh is different depending on whether there is a universe somewhere or not. It has already been said many times that Annihilarrgh will destroy not the "multiverse", but only the "universe". In the episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies", everyone was already talking about Annihilarrgh specifically destroying the universe, not the multiverse.
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I feel like this was already heavily contradicted by Ben and Belecus.
Ben-'That's the universe! It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus-'Was.'

At this point in the series Ben knew about a lot regarding his verse. Alternative dimensions, timelines and the 26 higher spatial-temporal dimensions.
Belecus confirms that everything got destroyed by stating that 'Everything there is.' is now a 'Was'.

Besides the Universe already has a 2A rating on the site due to it having infinite alternate dimensions.
 
Aolphl said:
Although I stated that I agreed this Crt, I think I'm changing my mind right now.

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In fact, although the conversations are obvious, there is still an explanation to make: as told by Rook (and as it turns out later in the series), Contumelia travel from universe to universe and destroy universes they don't like using Annihilarrgh. And as can be seen from the conversations between Rook and Ben, the principle of operation of Annihilarrgh is different depending on whether there is a universe somewhere or not. It has already been said many times that Annihilarrgh will destroy not the "multiverse", but only the "universe". In the episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies", everyone was already talking about Annihilarrgh specifically destroying the universe, not the multiverse.
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But don't skip this part. Rook interprets this Annihilarg part only with what he has heard in the past and even says that Contumelia is dead in the story he heard. But in the final episode we learn what happened to Contumelia, so the story Rook heard is not exactly true. Also, Rook's story contradicts Serena and Bellicus' interpretation. Serena and Bellicus confirm that everything is destroyed.
What the Nigh-Omniscience character says here should apply. Because I have just shown that Rook's story is not true, as I wrote above.
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
I feel like this was already heavily contradicted by Ben and Belecus.
Ben-'That's the universe! It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus-'Was.'

At this point in the series Ben knew about a lot regarding his verse. Alternative dimensions, timelines and the 26 higher spatial-temporal dimensions.
Belecus confirms that everything got destroyed by stating that 'Everything there is.' is now a 'Was'.

Besides the Universe already has a 2A rating on the site due to it having infinite alternate dimensions.
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I guess the cosmology page doesn't agree with you because 26-D is exist in Timestream instead of being in the universe. Ben is not really talking about the fact that "everything" is in the universe in that scene, only about how important the universe is to him.
DonkeySlayer06 said:
But don't skip this part. Rook interprets this Annihilarg part only with what he has heard in the past and even says that Contumelia is dead in the story he heard.
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The point you are missing is the presence of the ship. The ship looks quite old, dirty and abandoned. So, actually, those who were on that ship were already dead. If you think there is only one ship and three Contumelias, it should not be on the ship that appears in the episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies", the Contumelia on this ship is dead, and the Contumelia on another ship is still alive. They continue to do their job.
DonkeySlayer06 said:
But in the final episode we learn what happened to Contumelia,
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It doesn't have to be just one ship and three Contumelias. There may also be two ships and six Contumelia. Three of them are dead, and therefore their ship may have drifted from universe to universe, and the other three may be trying to do their job on their own ship.
DonkeySlayer06 said:
so the story Rook heard is not exactly true.
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As can be understood from his conversation with Argit and as the series shows, Rook's stories are true. It literally seems that the stories are true in his conversation with Argit.
DonkeySlayer06 said:
Also, Rook's story contradicts Serena and Bellicus' interpretation. Serena and Bellicus confirm that everything is destroyed.
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Serena and Bellicus, literally where did they say that the "multiverse" destroyed?
 
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Aolphl said:
I guess the cosmology page doesn't agree with you because 26-D is in exist Timestream instead of being in the universe. Benjamin is not really talking about the fact that "everything" is in the universe in that scene, only about how important the universe is to him.
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I didn't say that the 26D exist in the Universe. I said that the universe is 2A because it has infinite alternate dimensions.

The terminology in Ben 10 is a complex thing. Even the Cosmology page agrees. Albedo with Asmuth's brain straigh up says that the Universe can be seen as an omniversal force.
Albedo-'I now see the Universe for what it is. We are all dust, bound by one enormous universal force. No. Not universal. Not even multiversal. This omniversal force continues forever, in every direction through every reality.'
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The Universe can be interpreted as all of existence with proper context.

In the case of the Annhilarrgh destroying all of existence. Belecus stated that all of existence was destroyed even if what you're saying is true that Ben was only talking about what was important to him. Belecus wouldn't know what Ben was meaning unless Alien X has mind reading.
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Besides it has been shown that the Annihilarrgh affected more than a singular universe. Like changing the logo of the Mister Smoothly logo.
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Aolphl said:
The point you are missing is the presence of the ship. The ship looks quite old, dirty and abandoned. So, actually, those who were on that ship were already dead. If you think there is only one ship and three Contumelias, it should not be on the ship that appears in the episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies", the Contumelia on this ship is dead, and the Contumelia on another ship is still alive. They continue to do their job.

It doesn't have to be just one ship and three Contumelias. There may also be two ships and six Contumelia. Three of them are dead, and therefore their ship may have drifted from universe to universe, and the other three may be trying to do their job on their own ship.
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Rook did say that there is an entire pandimensional civilisation. So there are more Contumelia.
Aolphl said:
As can be understood from his conversation with Argit and as the series shows, Rook's stories are true. It literally seems that the stories are true in his conversation with Argit.
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Rook legit said that he heard the stories when he was young and Argit said that his mom told him these stories as bed time stories.
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Rook even said that the Contumelia go and destroy universes with the Annihilarrgh and in the finale this was shown incorrect because the purpose of the Annhilarrgh was shown to create universes.
Hellformer said:
This?
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Rook stated that the Contumelia only destroyed universes and didn't create them.
Aolphl said:
Serena and Bellicus, literally where did they say that the "multiverse" desdestroyed.
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Ben-'That's the universe. It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus-'Was.'
Past tense.
 
Aolphl said:
I guess the cosmology page doesn't agree with you because 26-D is exist in Timestream instead of being in the universe. Ben is not really talking about the fact that "everything" is in the universe in that scene, only about how important the universe is to him.

The point you are missing is the presence of the ship. The ship looks quite old, dirty and abandoned. So, actually, those who were on that ship were already dead. If you think there is only one ship and three Contumelias, it should not be on the ship that appears in the episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies", the Contumelia on this ship is dead, and the Contumelia on another ship is still alive. They continue to do their job.

It doesn't have to be just one ship and three Contumelias. There may also be two ships and six Contumelia. Three of them are dead, and therefore their ship may have drifted from universe to universe, and the other three may be trying to do their job on their own ship.

As can be understood from his conversation with Argit and as the series shows, Rook's stories are true. It literally seems that the stories are true in his conversation with Argit.

Serena and Bellicus, literally where did they say that the "multiverse" destroyed?
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You need to provide evidence that Rook's story is true. There is nothing that says that the Contumelia ship is old or that the reason why there are few Contumelia there is because they died. You are just making your own assumptions. I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. There is nothing to suggest that Contumelia's ship is old. There's nothing to suggest that the Contumelias are scarce.

Ben had already learned that the structure of the universe is made up of 26 dimensions. That everything disappears inside of it. Serena and Bellicus used the past tense to indicate that they were in it. So they emphasized that the erased universe is actually everything.
 
Hellformer said:
What about proofs given by @DonkeySlayer06 ?
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I Agree. Belecus confirmed that all of existence was destroyed when the Annhilarrgh went off.
 Ben-'That's the universe. It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus-'Was.'
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And this isn't the only time that the Universe meant all of existence.
Albedo-'Now I see the Universe for what it is. We are all dust, bound by one enormous universal force. No, not universal. Not even multiversal. This omniversal force continues forever in every direction through every reality.'
Scan#2
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
I Agree. Belecus confirmed that all of existence was destroyed when the Annhilarrgh went off.
 Ben-'That's the universe. It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus-'Was.'
Scan#1
And this isn't the only time that the Universe meant all of existence.
Albedo-'Now I see the Universe for what it is. We are all dust, bound by one enormous universal force. No, not universal. Not even multiversal. This omniversal force continues forever in every direction through every reality.'
Scan#2
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Correct, I do believe that Annihilarrgh worked the same way in both the cases
 
Firestorm808 said:
@Hellformer @Celestial_Scaler25 @DonkeySlayer06
Sorry. But can you reiterate and summarize as to what structures falls under your definition of "The Universe."
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What I believe @DonkeySlayer is saying is that in proper context that the ''Universe'' and mean all of existence with enough evidence like how the Annhilarrgh destroyed the ''Universe'' but it was learned by Belecus that all of existence was destroyed.


Also supported by an Albedo. As the "Universe" can also refer to the Omniversal force that extends through all of reality.
 
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