Hey guys.
Forgive me if im in the dark about all of this as I don't know everything that happened here in this thread. I had some thingsto take care of before so I really couldnt come on to the wiki. So like I said, Im not aware of everything here, but after skimming through some of it, I assume the main thing here is that Alien X is getting upgraded to 2-A for being stronger than the Chronosapian Time Bomb and evidence such as "strongest in the universe" is being used to support it. Along with Infinite Speed being wrapped in the same package.
Now Im not saying I disagree with either thing being given for Alien X, but I do have some issues regarding the justifications for both. Lets start with the Bomb.
For the bomb, from what I know about how we rate and scale characters, someone who becomes stronger than a weapon isnt neccesarily higher than what the weapon is able to destroy, especially if they destroy it through other methods. From what the wiki says,
Ben only used Clockworks time hax to reverse the effects of the bomb before it could start destroying everything , which isnt AP.
Following this, if we were to scale characters to a certain tier just because they can surpass the power of a weapon, then im sure there would be a lot of characters who'd need tier changing too and here are some examples I can think of:
- Naruto, Sasuke, Toneri and, well, any major character in the high-god tier would easily become Moon Level since they're clearly stronger than the Raikage's Chakra Cannon, which is powerful enough to destroy the entire moon to bits on its own.
-Goku, Beerus, and more from Xenoverse anyway would be given major upgrades since literally anyone in DB whos at least notable can destroy the Time Vault, something that keeps all existing timelines in Xenoverse in check. Without it, all timelines would be erased.
And to further explain this, I would like to use [http:// Jorgen Von Strangle ] from Fairy Odd parents as a more notable example who, unlike Alien X, is different and could explain my argument.
Now Jorgen is currently listed as a 2-C for being able to easily create and stop a bomb powerful enough to destroy both Timmy and Jimmy's verses. Normally, he'd be in the same boat as Alien-X, but the difference here between the 2 is that Jorgen not only
created the bomb, but he also easily stopped it
even upon its activation when it released the 2-C tier energy. With his fairy power. So in this case, Jorgen didnt destroy the bomb itself (which is just a weapon) but he stopped the energy it released which would make him 2-C upon actually stopping. But in this case, Alien X is the opposite. (I can be wrong so please correct me) He never overpowered any explosion or blast from the time bomb, much less the time bomb itself. He just used Clockwork to reverse it. And unlike Jorgen who created the bomb from his own individual power, the Chronosapien Time Bomb was more than likely built by someone in the verse, likely
Maltrunt for giving Vilgax one in the first place . So its not even a weapon who someone's power created.
Another issue I see here in the justifications is "the strongest in the universe" comment. Using a reason like this will more than likely bring up issues. There are many characters stated to be the strongest in their verse yet it doesnt mean they are even Universe Level. For example, Frieza (pre-RoF) and Majin Buu as those are ones that are at the top of my heads. In addition since Ben 10 is a multiverse, why would the ones who made this claim limit Alien X's power to the scope of just one universe? For a 2-A, it would make much better sense for them to be refered to as the strongest in existence (unless im just interpretting this wrong).
Finally, the Infinite speed thing.
I can understand why Alien X would get it since naturally living in an environemt with erased time can qualify for Infinite Speed. But the problem I see here is that Ben's Alien X wouldnt be the only one who would get this. Literally every Celestialsapen,
even the baby ones who can't even move an inch for tens of thousands of years while developing and is unable to use any of their power, being basically defenseless, would get Infinite Speed. And IIRC, not all Celestalsapians are at the same level of capability such as Bens. The Average Celestialsapain is only stated to have speeds so great they can travel entire Solar Systems in less than a milosecond. While this is definitely a very impressive level of speed, it should be rather childsplay for any Celestialsapian if they had Infinite Speed. Basically being able to travel even galaxies, let alone universes in an instant.
Again, I was not here for most of the thread so if im wrong on anything or everything, please address this to me and i'll concede. And this doesnt mean I disagree with any of the suggested upgrades, I just saw issues with their justifications is all.