Ben 10: Alien X tiering ( Part 2 )

Ben 10: Alien X tiering (Part 2) Summarizing of feats+ statements. This is a continuation thread of this thread. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/635286

Tier 2-A multiversal weapons

Vilgax uses the Chronosapian Time Bomb to destroy infinite timelines/ multiverses at 17:30.At 6:00 Each timeline has at least 2 universes and a hundred dimensions, including the infinitely big Null Void ( at 15:30 ).Paradox confirms that all timelines except 1 were destroyed at 21:12

- Paradox states if anyone else but him uses the Chrono Navigator, it would destroy all of reality, at 9:00 and at 18:38. Only he knows how to use it without that happening.

- it is stated at 9:20 that Paradox can't lie. He is a time traveler who has been to dozens of universes, timelines and dimensions, and he is the one who created the weapon. He also witnessed the destruction of the multiverse, so he should know what he's talking about.

Why Alien X/ Celestialsapiens scale

- 15:50 Clockwork created all timelines after they were erased from existence-

- 20:44 Azmuth says the Omnitrix is the most powerful weapon in the universe.Meaning the omnitrix> Time bomb and the Chrono-Navigator. Azmuth knows of the power behind the Chrono Navigator. Alien X is the most powerful alien in the Omnitrix '''

- 00:30 Azmuth says the Celestialsapie "have the greatest power in the universe" - 5:03 , Paradox states it's the source of the universe's greatest power, further proving Celestialsapiens DC is above everything else. At 5:11 he calls a baby Celestialsapien omnipotent.

- Alien X also created the Chronosapien Time Bomb out of nothing, when it created the universe, so it should be able to use it however it wants.

- One of the series creators confirms Alien X is tier 2-A multiversal

Proof of there being infinite universes

At 9:30 Paradox mentions there are infinite timelines when he says : "Ad infinitum", which means "continue forever, without limit"

Paradox explains the cosmos to Ben at 9:00 Paradox uses the quantum mechanics theory and string theory to explain to Ben what the cosmos is. According to both theories, there are infinite universes. the creators of the series also believe in both theories. This and the fact that Eon and Paradox, who both can easily timeline travel in seconds, failed to find the No Watch Timeline until after dozens of years, disprove the "hundreds of timelines" thing.Not convinced yet? Each dot represents Earth, there is 1 Earth for each timeline, and clearly, there are more than hundreds of dots. So yeah, infinite timelines seem more likely than hundreds. Nothing backs up there being only hundreds of timelines.

Couldn't Ben, Gwen and Kevin move at the Forge of Creation just fine though?

http://***********.se/Cartoon/Ben-1...n-01-Episode-16-The-Forge-of-Creation?id=1816

At 7:30 he explains to them he has arranged for life support, and made it so they won't feel heat or cold. This would also explain why they aren't affected by the gravity that should be very different form Earth's, as well as why they are able to move there in the first place. He made them unaffected by the FOG.

Not convinced ? At 6:11 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3x9ss1

Ben and Paradox are able to move perfectly fine in a world where time is permanently stopped, due to Paradox.

Changes from the Upgrades

Tier 2- A

Alien X/ Other Celestialsapiens:

Attack Potency: Multiverse Level+ (Is more powerful than the Chronosapien Time Bomb + the Chrono Navigator which both are Capable of wiping out infinite timelines)

Durability: Multiverse Level+ (Took hits from Galactic Gladiator, another Celestialsapian who should not be much weaker then Alien X himself. Neither could one-shot the other)

Range: Multiversal Level+

Speed: Infinite (Celestialsapians are born and live in the Forge of Creation a place where time doesn't exist)

Note: While Atomic X does possess Celestialsapian DNA, he has been consistently shown to be much weaker than Alien X on multiple occasions.

I think that this seems mostly reasonable.

Now that we got this summarized, I can agree to these changes.

I agree to these changes.

@Antvasima What should I change? Also, how do you define a multiverse and a universe in this forum?

After reading the summarized changes, I think this seems good.

I agree with this.

Seems reasonable

Seconds before, he said "there are hundreds of them," speaking of the universes. And the fact that there's a finite amount of dots in the first place means that it's far more likely to be hundreds than infinity. If there were infinite, dozens of years wouldn't be enough to find the dude who did whatever in the first place. I'm sorry, I cannot get behind this. The speed I can see though.

1st, he talks about String Theory and Quantum Mechanics. In both theories, there are infinite universes.

2nd. How in the world could you ever hope to animate infinite dots on finite space? How? The Marvel and DC don't have infinite multiverses/universes either since you can clearly see there aren't infinite stars/ galaxies/ universes etc on every map of DC & marvel ever made. You can obviously not animate or draw an infinite amount of anything. And proof there weren't infinite dots. He never mentioned how many there were in the episode. Obviously some of the dots were infinitely small, you just couldn't see them.

There being more than hundreds of dots disproves there only being hundreds of timelines, and supports there being infinite.

3rd. They found the timeline by chance, they would've found it in a day at most. if there only were a hundred, how come Paradox didn't find it for 100,000 years? He can go to other timelines in seconds or less, since he can stop time.

4rd 18:00 Paradox exists outside of time and he still never found the timeline. A single statement does not overweigh a dozen, when it is contradicted dozens of times.

so, posibility 2-A Alien X? or....

Yeah, it's simply not possible to portray infinite universes visually.

I don't see any problems here.

It would be best if the speed feat was put up into a blog here and accepted by our calc group tho.

So, does anybody wish to apply the suggested changes to the Alien X, Ben Tennyson (Original), and Galactic Gladiator pages?

Always knew this was where he was nice job pal

I gonna reject these changes on the fact I have knowledge about Ben 10 and the fact that the OP has failed to inform is on who is the true creator of Ben 10. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_10

The article mentioned these guys: Creator(s): Man of Action Studios (Duncan Rouleau, Joe Casey, Joe Kelly, and Steven T. Seagle)

Also myself have known the OP is using a fan biased opinion as well.

^Could you explain more on what is wrong here?

@Dragon The evidence and scans this guy is using are incorrect. One of the scans are incorrect as that was a fan stating his opinion on Twitter and some other social medias. In fact, I am very tempted to said he is using false claims to justify these changes.

@Star

Derrick J. Wyatt is part of the staff working on Ben 10. It's very different from what you're implying.

@Ever I see. I suppose it has to do with the fact Ben 10 was rebooted. I was unaware of that tidbit of info. Still I do have a point that none of the other staff members of the studio stated something on this level. Also how did we know if what Derrick said is true as treating it as WOG is something that is heavily questionable unto itself. We are using a guy's opinion that happen to be in a question as well.

Just because they aren't the direct creators of the show doesn't mean much, Derrick is still one of the people working on the show, so his opinion does hold at least some value.

Even without that, Alien X still has some 2-A feats.

@Ever I not so sure if Alien X has a legit 2-A feat, because we never hear that it is indeed infinite number of universes. Also I don't recall any statements that will implied to being infinite number of universes in the Ben 10 series as well.

The only thing that I will suggest is putting Alien X as 2-C, possibly higher. The main reason for this as it seems to me, it will cause a lot of inconsistencies if we do upgrade Alien X to 2-B or 2-A. I also don't remember a character from the Ben 10 show saying about a infinite dimensional realm as that can be hyperbole and a overstatement in the Ben 10 verse. Also it is best to rewatch the Ben 10 videos to see what this guy is claiming is true as well.

@Starkiller215 Okay, I might've been wrong about the creator, but:

1st. For the last goddamn time, it was NOT on twitter, but on ASK.

2nd. Fan biased opinion? What does that even mean? How did you know I was a fan of Ben 10? Hint: I'm not

3rd Prove they are false claim, instead of just claiming they are. Everything, except the ASK.FM comment has been something from episodes. Watch the episodes, then you can say whether I'm wrong or not.

Starkiller215 said:

I not so sure if Alien X has a legit 2-A feat, because we never hear that it is indeed infinite number of universes. Also I don't recall any statements that will implied to being infinite number of universes in the Ben 10 series as well.

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The only thing that I will suggest is putting Alien X as 2-C, possibly higher. The main reason for this as it seems to me, it will cause a lot of inconsistencies if we do upgrade Alien X to 2-B or 2-A. I also don't remember a character from the Ben 10 show saying about a infinite dimensional realm as that can be hyperbole and a overstatement in the Ben 10 verse. Also it is best to rewatch the Ben 10 videos to see what this guy is claiming is true as well.
@Starkiller215

Did you even read any part of the OP other than the part about the creator? Are you really doing this? Do I have to copy+paste everything in the OP? Do I have to Copy+ Paste my 3rd post as well? Watch the videos I linked, I'm not going to link them again when they are already at the top of this thread. Why do people come to this thread without even reading the damn OP? Or the other posts?


So if they don't visually show there are infinite dimensional realms, it is automatically a hyperbolic statement? How in the goddamn world could any person ever hope to literally animate or draw infinite dimensional realms? You assuming, based on nothing, that it is a hyperbole and an overstatement means nothing, prove it or don't bring it up. Guess Marvel and DC don't have infinite universes, this is never EVER shown. Guess the DBZ universe does not have billions of galaxies, you can clearly count on any map shown in DBZ that there aren't billions of galaxies. Nah, scratch that, guess the real world doesn't have billions of galaxies, since you can't actually see billions of galaxies on any picture ever taken. Guess any picture of the milky way disproves that it has billions of stars since you can clearly see there aren't billions of stars. Saying otherwise is making a hyperbolic overstatement and an inconsistency

PROVE there are inconsistencies for multiversal Alien X. Alien X is NEVER stated or implied by neither the author, nor anyone in the series to be merely universal. You assuming so is nothing more than a baseless fan biased opinion. The fact that Alien X is called Omnipotent by the author AND by characters in the show disproves this, when weaker devices in the series are at multiversal.

Starkiller215 said:

The only thing that I will suggest is putting Alien X as 2-C, possibly higher. The main reason for this as it seems to me, it will cause a lot of inconsistencies if we do upgrade Alien X to 2-B or 2-A. I also don't remember a character from the Ben 10 show saying about a infinite dimensional realm as that can be hyperbole and a overstatement in the Ben 10 verse. Also it is best to rewatch the Ben 10 videos to see what this guy is claiming is true as well.

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The staff confirmed his sources as shown in the previous thread so it's likely that you're biased in contrary, Paradox also said "Ad infinitum".

About an hour ago, Ant approved the changes and no offense Starkiller, but I disagree with your post.

@Eroij. Want me to unlock the pages that are to be affected by the upgrade?

@ProspectX Watch your tone. That was a rude and unsupported accusation.

@Eroji replying here because I was at school and didnt have a chance to reply in the other thread.

Firstly, I don't appreciate being accused of "making things up". Everything that im claiming im at the very least getting from the Wiki. And I even linked to the pages where I got it from. Even if they are incorrect, all of what I included in my argument isnt something I pulled out of nowhere to disagree. I never even said I disagreed with the upgrades,I just disagreed with the reasoning. I have no issue or problem with Alien X receiving this I just would like it if someone could explain it to me really well as to why these justify it. So please do not claim that im making anything up when im not.

Secondly, If the wiki is incorrect then why is the information there in the first place? All wiki's to a certain verse never source everything they are claiming and it has happened in the canon of said verse. Not to mention, a wiki's job is to constantly keep pages up to date in order to be as precise as possible, just like us when upgrading/downgrading profiles. If none of that was true at all, it wouldnt be there period. Also, not to be rude or acuse you of anything at all, but I seem to see you doing this:





You were editing the Celestialsapien/Alien X page I linked after I linked it in my replies. Did you just change everything so it wouldnt match what I was saying? If not then i'll concede and i'll apologize for possibly accusing you of something you didnt do.

And as far as the "nothing is ever stated in the episodes" statement, we at least get implications. For the Baby Alien X, it is trapped in an egg held by the Mother at the Forge of Creation and its clearly obvious that it can't do anything while stuck in the egg. Otherwise if it could, it would have defended itself from being absorbed without requiring Kevin to come in and stop it. This implies that, no matter the timespan, the baby alien x's are defenseless and can't do anything while within their eggs. So im not sure if it would make sense for even them to have Infinite Speed since literally any Celestialsapien ever would have infinite speed.

Im pretty sure Ben's Alien X would be above the average since Ben himself isnt a weakling and is also, like you said, referred to being the strongest. Why would someone like that have an equal when given such a wealthy amount of statements regarding them to be above everything else? In fact, every alien he has access to should be greater than average from what I remember about the verse. And while yes there may be no timeframe, it is also not correct to claim what I claim "speculative" when your's can be very much the same thing. There is no timespan so it could have happend instantly, quickly, slowly, etc. So that really isnt a good reason for why this is false. And we still have the matter of them reaching entire solar systems away when, with infinite speed, can have combatants reach even entire galaxies/universes in an instant.


Okay but the issue with that is claiming someone or something is the strongest in the universe, even repeatedly, doesnt mean they are a certain tier. It happens all the time for characters in fiction. Frieza (pre RoF) is stated to be the strongest in the universe and he at that time was, what, Planet to Large Star Level? Same thing for Majin Buu who was 4-B at best. Not to mention, are we even allowed to scale weapons off of each other (serious question because I've never come across something like that)? In addition, from what I gathered, Alien X did not overpower, lets say the timebomb at all. He just used Clockworks time hax to reverse it, which isnt considered AP. Also so what if the wiki puts him at omniversal? We don't accept a term like that so it shouldnt be mentioned. And considering the wiki lists stuff like "race of omnipotents", they have 0 clue on dimensional tiering. Same thing with the author who says a multiverse can be destroyed with finite thoughts. Also evidence of Ailen X creating the weapons please? I can't find it and your post doesnt link that.

Also, nothing like my Naruto/DBZ examples?

-Naruto is clearly the most powerful shinobi on earth after the war (excluding Sasuke). But that shouldnt mean he should become Moon Level based on a bunch of fodder average ninja putting in enough power to obliterate it completely.

-In Xenoverse the time vault is just a regular vault that keeps all timelines in check. If its just a simple vault then there are obviously many characters who are able to destroy it without trouble. But destroying or being stronger than this contraption wouldnt mean they are Tier 2 for causing the erasure of all timelines in the game.

If your going to use reasoning such as "Alien X is the strongest alien in the Omnitrix and it being the strongest weapon in the universe", then this would also apply to both examples for Naruto being ridiculously stronger than fodder shinobi and, well, notable DB characters being perfectly capable of destroying a vault.

Lastly, another issue I brought up before but it didnt get addressed:

"- 20:44 Azmuth says the Omnitrix is the most powerful weapon in the universe."

"have the greatest power in the universe"

"it's the source of the universe's greatest power"

For a 2-A, I find it very strange how someone who is referred to being the absolute strongest is only having their scope of power be limited to something more for Tier 3 characters. There are god tiers whose power isnt given such a limit. Zeno for example is consistently referred to as the very strongest in the entire multiverse and he's the god tier. Arceus from pokemon is the same thing.

@Darkanine

Yeah, seems everybody( that has actually bothered to check my claims) agree.

Dragonmasterxyz said:

@ProspectX Watch your tone. That was a rude and unsupported accusation.

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I scrolled through part 1 and for most parts,the contributing staff had a somewhat agreement with Eroij. I personally dont see this as a accustion, more of a small correction. I dont take sides. I'm sorry if you took offense from my post.

Oh yeah, there's another thing that starting to bother me too that I just realized.

Since all Celestialsapeins, not just Ben's alien X, would be given the same tier changes, then every Celestialsapien, even the baby ones, would be 2-A in terms of power.

But yet.....

Ultimate Aggrgor, someone infinitely fodder and no where remotely close to 2-A (he only had use of 5 randomly powerful aliens and their powers he captued), was capable of absorbing their power. Bear in mind that Baby Celestialsapiens and normal ones are no different from each other, with the only difference is that one gains the Multiple Personality weakness while the other doesnt for some time (the babies). Aggrogor only went after the baby because after taking its power, he wouldnt be limited to such a weakness like the other ones and with it being confined to an egg, it wouldnt be able to stop him from taking its power. So basically the babies and the other Celestialsapiens are all equal in strength.

The fact that their 2-A power can be taken away and made use to someone who is infinitely weaker should bring up Inconsistency.

Unless is their evidence of him being able to accuarately steal 2-A power?

EDIT: Eroji, the wiki doesnt site an episode on where the babies are referred to growing over thousands of years before being totally developed. They site Dwayne, one of the show's writers, as someone who answered that question and made this claim . So here is proof that Baby Celestialsapiens are defenseless while developing for that long.

Okay, from the links you've given, which I did read, no word of the baby Celestialsapien not being able to move is ever mentioned there. Check it yourself, it's not there. The same for all the other stuff that I said you made up. They aren't in the wiki, nor in any episode.

"Secondly, If the wiki is incorrect then why is the information there in the first place? All wiki's to a certain verse never source everything they are claiming and it has happened in the canon of said verse. Not to mention, a wiki's job is to constantly keep pages up to date in order to be as precise as possible, just like us when upgrading/downgrading profiles. If none of that was true at all, it 'wouldnt' be there period." doing I can make my own wiki, saying the exact opposite of what was said in that one, wouldnt make mine more credible than theirs if mine doesn't have any source either, right? As long as they don't put in any sources, then you should not take what they say at face value, otherwise you HAVE to accept that Alien X is omnipotent, after all "it's a wiki job to constantly keep pages up to date and be as precise as possible". Not how it works. They're basing stuff from nothing.

Not sure why you still are not able to grasp this, but the wiki is unreliable, since it doesn't have any sources. Period. I can make my own wiki, saying Marvel are building +, I can find a staff that will make hundreds of pages "proving" this. Well this won't convince you, how about this? Anyone can edit their wiki, so if you still insist of blindly believeing in the wiki I'm gonna change alot of stuff from the wiki so you will stop using it as evidence. A fan wiki is NOT the same as 'wikipedia. There exists fan wikis saying Goku is omnipotent, based on nothing, but after all they are wikis that are always 100% correct so it must be true am I right?'

"For the Baby Alien X, it is trapped in an egg held by the Mother at the Forge of Creation and its' clearly obvious that it can't do anything while stuck in the egg. 'Otherwise' if it could, it would have defended itself from being absorbed without requiring Kevin to come in and stop it. This implies 'that,' no matter the 'timespan', the baby alien x's are defenseless and can't do anything while within their eggs. So 'im not sure if it would make sense for even them to have Infinite Speed since literally any Celestialsapien ever would have infinite speed."

The baby celestialsapien could've chosen to simply not move, since it simply didn't care. Adults CS have conflicting personalities, one wants to move, the other doesn't want to move. The baby CS has 1, and because of that it didn't want to move. It's never stated it's trapped in an egg, it's not an egg.


"So 'im' not sure if it would make sense for even them to have Infinite Speed since literally any Celestialsapien ever would have infinite speed." Honestly, not trying to be rude, but what does this even mean? Again, even if the baby didn't have infintie speed, so what? STOP MENTIONING IT, it never moved so what's the point of discussing this? The baby having or not having infinite speed DOESN'T DISPROVE all the others having it. End of discussion, don't mention the baby speed thing again. Don't.


"Im' pretty sure Ben's Alien X would be above the average since Ben himself 'isnt' a weakling and is 'also, like you said, referred to being the strongest. Why would someone like that have an equal when given such a wealthy amount of statements regarding them to be above everything else? In fact, every alien he has access to should be greater than average from what I remember about the verse."


Not sure what you're saying here? Ben isn't a weakling? When did you come to that baseless conclusion? When he in evey damn episode needed to transform into aliens to become stronger because he's a weakling or all the time he and other said he was? Alien X is not above other CS, prove it or concede. You made the claim, you have to prove it. Ben is never refered as being the strongest, Celestialsapiens are, Alien X is refered as being the strongest alien. The Baby Celestialsapien was called Omnipotent, Aggregor, despite the according to you "strongest Celestialsapien" Alien X existing, would've been UNSTOPPABLE had he absorbed the baby. Prove Ben's alien are greater than the average, not going to watch every episode of the series to disprove you, nope.


Alien X was not faster nor stronger than an average celestialsapien, Alien X is average. End of discussion.

"'And while yes there may be no timeframe, it is also not correct to claim what I claim "speculative" when your's can be very much the same thing. There is no timespan' so it could have 'happend instantly, quickly, slowly, etc. So that really isn't a good reason for why this is false. And we still have the matter of them reaching entire solar systems away when, with infinite speed, can have combatants reach even entire galaxies/universes in an instant."

You're pretty much again not making any sense, you admit that there is no timeframe, yet you say your baseless claim isn't baseless because.....? You say "there is no timeframe, it could've have happened instantly, so that isnt a good reason as to why this doesn't disprove they are infinitely fast", yet you still use it as an argument to prove they arent infinitely fast? Why do you keep contradicting yourself?

Your last sentence does not make any sense whatsoever, I'm sorry.

Okay but the issue with that is claiming someone or something is the strongest in the universe, even repeatedly, doesnt' mean they are a certain tier. It happens all the time for characters in fiction. Frieza ('pre RoF') is stated to be the strongest in the universe and he at that time was, what, Planet to Large Star Level? Same thing for Majin Buu who was 4-B at best. Not to mention, are we even allowed to scale weapons off of each other (serious question because I've never come across something like 'that)? .

You're really starting to annoy me, because it seems that you aren't reading my post. I'm not saying Alien X should be multiversal because he was called the strongest in the multiverse ( he was never called this). Please read the OP, not going to explain it again. Yes we are allowed to scale weapons from each other for obvious reasons.

"In addition, from what I gathered, Alien X did not overpower, 'lets' say the timebomb at all He just used Clockworks time 'hax'''' to reverse it, which ''''isnt' considered AP"

Clockwork didnt reverse anything, as I've explained multiple times. Prove he did. Clockwork and Alien X are not the goddamn same Alien, Ben cannot and has never used both at the same time.


'"so what if the wiki puts him at omniversal'? We don't accept a term like that so it 'shouldnt' be mentioned. And considering the wiki lists stuff like "race of 'omnipotents'", they have 0 'clue' on dimensional tiering."

1st of all now you don't wanna use the wiki, because it doesn't fit your agenda? Nice, now the wiki isn't "100 % reliable and precise" despite alot of people updating it all the time. As you said yourself

"- If none of that was true at all, it 'wouldnt' be there period." Which means he is Omniversal, and omnipotent. You can't disprove it, it wouldn't be there if it wasn't true, period.

You keep contradicting yourself. A true Omnipotent can do anything, which means they can create a race of themselves. Not saying Alien X is omnipotent, but there is literally NOTHING you can do to prove something isn't. You can't even prove your damn door isn't omnipotent.


"Same thing with the author who says a multiverse can be destroyed with finite thoughts."

So the timebomb didn't destroy all timelines with one blast? Vilgax didn't have several finite thoughts, to activate it and then detonate it? It didn't happen? The Living Tribunal can't destroy infinite universes with 1 attack? Neither can The monitor Mind, The Writer, Lucifer, Gabriel etc. from DC? After all, 1 is finite.

Also evidence of Ailen X creating the weapons please? I can't find it and your post doesnt link that."


Recreates the universe at 20:00 Starbeard Happens at 6:30 he "Recreated the entire universe, and everything in it". It's also mentioned in other episodes.
'-" Naruto is clearly the most powerful shinobi on earth after the war (excluding Sasuke). But that shouldnt' mean he should become Moon Level based on a bunch of fodder average ninja putting in enough power to obliterate it completely."

prove to me the weapon didn't multiply their power several times over, which isn't an impossibility since that is common in fiction. Also make a thread, and have people accept it. Don't mention it here.


'"-In Xenoverse the time vault is just a regular vault that keeps all timelines in check. If its' just a simple vault then there are obviously many characters who are able to destroy it without trouble. But destroying or being stronger than this contraption wouldnt mean they are Tier 2 for causing the erasure of all timelines in the game."

So you have no evidence that they can even destroy it, you're just basing it on " they must be able to" ? Show evidence they can destroy it, show evidence that it is tier 2 in DURABILITY, show evidence that they are stronger than it. Otherwise you got nothing here but baseless assumptions.


"If your going to use reasoning such as "Alien X is the strongest alien in the Omnitrix and it being the strongest weapon in the universe", then this would also apply to both examples for Naruto being ridiculously stronger than fodder shinobi and, well, notable DB characters being perfectly capable of destroying a vault."

Didn't know Naruto and most Dragon Ball characters were weapons. Didn't know fodders shinobi were weapons( Hint they are not ).

Prove the vault is multiversal in Durability, if it was then they are obviously multiversal in DC. How is this so hard to get?

Lastly, another issue I brought up before but it didnt get addressed:



"For a 2-A, I find it very strange how someone who is referred to being the absolute strongest is only having their scope of power be limited to something more for Tier 3 characters. There are god tiers whose power isnt given such a limit. Zeno for example is consistently referred to as the very strongest in the entire multiverse and he's the god tier. Arceus from pokemon is the same thing. "




The reason Azmuth mentions all this, is because he is obviously implying that there are beings and weapons outside the universe that are more powerful than Celestialsapien. Azmuth never says that Alien X is able to destroy a universe or anything like that, so no, it does NOT imply tier 3 at all.

You contradict yourself again, you just earlier said that Buu and Frieza claiming they are the strongest in the universe doesn't mean they can destroy the universe( which has no correlation to what I've ever said), but now you're saying "the strongest in the universe" means = Tier 3, Able to destroy a universe. Don't believe me? Take a look:

"Okay but the issue with that is claiming someone or something is the strongest in the universe, even repeatedly, doesnt mean they are a certain tier. It happens all the time for characters in fiction. Frieza ('pre RoF') is stated to be the strongest in the universe and he at that time was, what, Planet to Large Star Level? Same thing for Majin Buu who was 4-B at best."

It baffles my mind how you have contradicted yourself so many times in so few comments, like I'm not trying to be rude, but you did contradict yourself dozens of times. Like I don't see the point of arguing with you, when you're just gonna have 2 contrasting arguments on the same matter.

Has the pages been updated yet?

@Kukui

Why would absorbing power matter in terms of tiers...?

Even if a Celestialsapien was Low 2-C, it's inconsistent by your logic.