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Nice, all this just for me to say doesn't matter.
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Ben 10 - Alien X downgrade y’all saw coming a mile away!
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I’m back. I got lots of catching up to do.
EDIT: Whoever changed the title to my thread, respectfully, don’t do that again please. I make titles different so they’re easier to find, rather than using the same title over and over again. Sheesh.
EDIT: Whoever changed the title to my thread, respectfully, don’t do that again please. I make titles different so they’re easier to find, rather than using the same title over and over again. Sheesh.
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So I read through the thread and I really didn’t see any new arguments unless I’m mistaken. I can’t get my full response right away tho.
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@Zamasu_Chan
Is it acceptable to move the discussion to the prior topic threads and continue to discuss them there?
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Also, as what @Aachintya31 and @Firestorm808 said about this point, it's not a parallel/alternate timeline but a "future" in the same "timeline" if the past is not fixed, even paradox said or should I say past and Kevin said that it's Future, only point that it relies on to say it's a parallel timeline is to Ben calling future paradox, parallel paradox, which is no proof, as per context it means that it is a different version of same paradox which exist on a different point in time, they are different versions of the same timeline.
Further supported by later on in the series when none of the trio was seemingly aware of other universes.
Further supported by the Episode ben 10000 returns, where Kevin or others from the trio aren't able to understand how ben met his future, but it was different than UA Ben 10000 and not to mention that in the entire episode, it was clear af that none from the trio was aware of that the multiverse is real.
So either take it as parallel paradox was a parallel version of the present paradox on different parallel slices of space along the Time axis or take it as something that has retconned both won't change that Trio wasn't aware of the Multiverse is something that was established in the UA quote consistently.
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Why? That makes no sense.
@Reiner I already established that wasn’t as important as you think. The Parallel Paradox was merely supporting evidence. The issue at hand is Kevin. He thought the universe was everything but Paradox said it’s a common error. Meaning Kevin is wrong and there’s no evidence that all dimensions exist in one universe outside of assumption’s.
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Read more of that context, Kevin is wrong not about universe is everything but more precisely if there is more than universe. Until now whatever Kevin has seen was part of the universe, so he thought universe is everything but paradox cleared him that there is Always far more to the reality than we imagine. Means there are other universes as well. So dimension 12 is a part of the universe.
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Yeah, After waiting for 2 days, I am also against it now, I am not going to waste another month of mine on same thing with which I was done already. It'll end here with this OP right here.
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What do you mean? It makes sense to discuss Cosmology Structure, Power Scaling, and Speed Feat Evaluation in different threads, so the conversations stay focused. That's why the original threads were created separately, to begin with.
We already have the threads with the prior discussion topics. Why shouldn't we continue off from there, so everything is self-contained?
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Let's not rush into things. I would prefer that we proceed as organized as possible.
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But then again, is it reasonable to reopen all the 6 previous threads just because our 1 member feels like they are wrong, when he didn't even took part in all those discussions? @Firestorm808
Isn't it just simply questioning the decision and righteousness of all the members who agreed and took part in discussion? And unfair to that as well.
Isn't it just simply questioning the decision and righteousness of all the members who agreed and took part in discussion? And unfair to that as well.
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It is preferable to continue where we left off so nothing gets left behind. Not all the threads need to be re-opened, just the key ones relating to the OP here.
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If its about just OP, Then I think it has been gone to good extents in this thread already, opening previous ones will only be waste of time and efforts.
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Well anyway tbh I am fine with any where discussing it but I guess you want to keep the discussions of particular topics relating particular threads alinged in them, that's fine then. I agree with it.
So I'll ask again, and give it a thought zamasu before straight denying to any proposals,are you three fine with reopening the previous threads relating to this OP, @Firestorm808 @Zamasu_Chan @Antvasima ?
So I'll ask again, and give it a thought zamasu before straight denying to any proposals,are you three fine with reopening the previous threads relating to this OP, @Firestorm808 @Zamasu_Chan @Antvasima ?
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It'll be difficult, as there's not just one way to counter the OP arguements but many presented by many users including me, aachintya, firestorm, etc. Zamasu said he hasread through and will present a counter argument but yet he has presented nothing notable.
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At this time, I've already posted my response to the OP, but everyone else has also given their replies. I haven't gone over them, and the post jumps from topic to topic.
I would prefer if the relevant replies were carried over to the individual threads for easier understanding for everyone.
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I don't really care for what happens to this thread or arguements in it, but a wait for atleast month will be appreciated for those who has been in this upgrades for no less than 2 months in consecutive 8 threads, sure there is no rule like that exists but atleast there should be some understanding to why this is not right.
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As this thread is not in passive state and entirely standing over response of you @Zamasu_Chan and I don't need to tell that I've waited more than enough, regardless what counter argument you'll purpose either right now or a day later but This is not the way a discussion happens, I am being passive in this thread for each response that is coming, close the thread and create the new thread after a gap of atleast month, and if you were busy then you should have made the thread in your free days to keep it in passive state.
Many of us from this pretty much dead ben 10 community on vsbw need rest.
Many of us from this pretty much dead ben 10 community on vsbw need rest.
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Why do we have to run back and forth through various threads tho? There was no need to be so many threads made in the first place. Keep things in this thread.
There’s no rule for that. Upgrades and downgrades can occur at any time.
It doesn’t matter cause Kevin is still wrong and could easily mistake anything for being part of the universe. A 2-A universe still requires extraordinary evidence because it relies heavily on assumptions. That’s the problem.
Not all of us are available 24/7. Relax.
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What back and forth? We'll be continuing the topics from your OP in the old threads one by one. Cosmology Structure would be discussed first, as that affects everything.
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If I said that earth is everything and nasa tells me that I am wrong then it doesn't mean I am wrong at the part of what I am aware of but wrong at the part of what nasa is aware.
Kevin was wrong for not being aware of that there are other universes besides his own and that's what makes it clear that whatever he was aware of is a part of the universe. Being wrong from perspective of professor paradox who was aware of the multiverse has nothing to do with it.
It's entirely strawmaning the context of the scene for equating everything out on the final results.
You would need to prove that Kevin was wrong on his take.
Oh boy.
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I got it
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I argue there should be a rule.
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You can argue that in another thread or create a staff discussion, this thread is only for the purpose of AP revision which has nothing to do with what are rules or what not whatsover. This thread should stay on the topic.
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To reiterate, the OP is attempting to discuss 3 topics: Cosmology Structure, Power Scaling for the AP Revision, and a Speed Feat Evaluation.
This is why I'm suggesting we continue on the previous Cosmology Structure thread and work one by one through each topic.
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The context is there yes, but it doesn’t Deny that Kevin could mistake an anything as part of the universe. Since the likelihood is far higher, evidence for suggesting infinite dimensions reside in one universe is higher as well.
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Can you prove that Kevin was wrong in his take?
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What do you mean by "his take"?
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I am fine with if we close this thread and continue in the previous related Ben 10 discussions instead then.
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"His take", for whatever he was aware of, before knowing that multiverse exist.
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I am also fine then, it hasn't even been week when all those threads were open, these topics related to OP can be discussed in their respective threads they belongs to.
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Let us continue the Cosmology Structure discussion here:
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Except the first one yes, OP don't have any problem with nullvoid, legerdomain.
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Was referring to Cal.
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