Ben 10 - Timelines and Dimensions Structure Proposal (Accepted)

[Reiner04]

My proposal of universe being 2c is based of an evidence that main dimension and nullvoid despite being a separate spacetime continuums are part of a same universe/timeline.

Nullvoid is an seprate spacetime continuum​

• It is stated to be an alternate dimension by vilgax.
  Source:
• It is seprated by dimensional barrier from main dimension.
• Ben said Dimensional disruptor to be similar to nullvoid projector after listening to Caesar explaination which creates spacetime rift to connect parallel world's confirming further that nullvoid is a separate spacetime continuum.

Nullvoid is a part of the entire universe​

• Kevin said I thought the universe is everything as being surprised by seeing other universes although he already knew about nullvoid and it being alternate dimension.
• Servantis warned Ben that no one in this universe or any other will bring Ben Tennyson back while still being in the nullvoid, it's obvious that he referred main dimension and nullvoid combined as an universe because as per the establishment of nullvoid in Ben 10 it hasn't been treated as another universe by any character ever.
• Anur system grid the nullvoid to regular space confirming that nullvoid is a part of the universe.
• Nullvoid is created by galvans, so there shouldn't be any point in thinking that it exist outside of the universe unless stated otherwise
• It's just a pocket dimension

Why it makes sense for nullvoid to be a part of the universe rather than entirely separate universe​

Nullvoid has to be a part of the universe as both of them are branching off continuously, if both of them aren't connected then events of particular branch of main dimension timestream that concerned with particular branch of nullvoid timestream may gets confused with some other branches and creates mess or we must have seen many same characters encounters each other in nullvoid but we never seen that and so both of them branching off together and being part of the same entire universe makes more sense.

Agreement: @LordGriffin1000 @Greenshifter @Zamasu_Chan @Aachintya31 @Elizhaa @Maverick_Zero_X @Dereck03 @Firestorm808 @Antvasima

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Lovemovies14]

Honestly Ben 10 verse should be higher and Alien X deserves higher than High 3-A. Alien X has a lower score than Feedback who is Low 2-C and the lore has repeatedly established that Alien X is the most powerful being in the Omnitrix. I also recommend checking out these to prove why X should be higher and other characters as well.

Proof that Ben 10 top tiers characters and weapons can destroy infinite multiverses and have infinite speed

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Ben 10 characters part 2

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Has Alien X done anything on a multiversal scale? If not, does that make clockwork, Ben 10's most powerful transformation?

Michael Selph's answer: He hasn’t shown any Multiversal scale feats on screen, but using reliable statements from the show and WoG, he is vastly above anything on a Multiversal scale. First, his on screen feats: Alien X reverses time in his first appearance. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X c...

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How big is the Omniverse in Ben 10?

Michael Selph's answer: Edit: Explaining it better and making it easier to understand. It will pretty much just be copied and pasted from a post I did in a debate, because I thought it was a really good explanation of the size of the Cosmos. The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as ...

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Ben 10 Classic Cosmology

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Cosmology Map:

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The 2-C perposal in the OP seems fine.

 

[Aachintya31]

Honestly Ben 10 verse should be higher and Alien X deserves higher than High 3-A. Alien X has a lower score than Feedback who is Low 2-C and the lore has repeatedly established that Alien X is the most powerful being in the Omnitrix. I also recommend checking out these to prove why X should be higher and other characters as well.

Proof that Ben 10 top tiers characters and weapons can destroy infinite multiverses and have infinite speed

docs.google.com

Ben 10 characters part 2

docs.google.com

Has Alien X done anything on a multiversal scale? If not, does that make clockwork, Ben 10's most powerful transformation?

Michael Selph's answer: He hasn’t shown any Multiversal scale feats on screen, but using reliable statements from the show and WoG, he is vastly above anything on a Multiversal scale. First, his on screen feats: Alien X reverses time in his first appearance. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X c...

www.quora.com

How big is the Omniverse in Ben 10?

Michael Selph's answer: Edit: Explaining it better and making it easier to understand. It will pretty much just be copied and pasted from a post I did in a debate, because I thought it was a really good explanation of the size of the Cosmos. The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as ...

qr.ae

Ben 10 Classic Cosmology

character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

Cosmology Map:

No

 

[Lovemovies14]

No

Elaborate

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Elaborate

Idk if this is still relevant, but apparently Ben 10 Word of God is not considered canon.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Honestly Ben 10 verse should be higher and Alien X deserves higher than High 3-A. Alien X has a lower score than Feedback who is Low 2-C and the lore has repeatedly established that Alien X is the most powerful being in the Omnitrix. I also recommend checking out these to prove why X should be higher and other characters as well.

Proof that Ben 10 top tiers characters and weapons can destroy infinite multiverses and have infinite speed

docs.google.com

Ben 10 characters part 2

docs.google.com

Has Alien X done anything on a multiversal scale? If not, does that make clockwork, Ben 10's most powerful transformation?

Michael Selph's answer: He hasn’t shown any Multiversal scale feats on screen, but using reliable statements from the show and WoG, he is vastly above anything on a Multiversal scale. First, his on screen feats: Alien X reverses time in his first appearance. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X c...

www.quora.com

How big is the Omniverse in Ben 10?

Michael Selph's answer: Edit: Explaining it better and making it easier to understand. It will pretty much just be copied and pasted from a post I did in a debate, because I thought it was a really good explanation of the size of the Cosmos. The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as ...

qr.ae

Ben 10 Classic Cosmology

character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

Cosmology Map:

Please make your own thread. You are derailing from the OP's main topic which is 2-C. Take your "evidence" to the Ben 10 discussion thread if you want an elaborate response to your post.

Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Discuss anything relating to the original series or reboot!

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[Reiner04]

Honestly Ben 10 verse should be higher and Alien X deserves higher than High 3-A

I respect your opinion, but this thread is particularly specified for it's being 2c, i would appreciate it if the things further will be discussed in future.

 

[Lovemovies14]

My bad, I'll move it there.

 

[Lovemovies14]

Idk if this is still relevant, but apparently Ben 10 Word of God is not considered canon.

WOG can be considered canon as long as you back it up with in-universe feats and statements.

 

[Aachintya31]

This seems fine to me but I am not a staff so doesn't matter.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

wait, low 2-C feedback is accepted and alien x is still high 3-A?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

wait, low 2-C feedback is accepted and alien x is still high 3-A?

Feedback is absorption hax, aka he can absorb up to Low 2-C energy. Which isn't related to AP.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

cringe

 

[Lovemovies14]

Alien X is supposed to be superior to Feedback even with his absorption hax.

 

[Lovemovies14]

You guys even put that absorption hax under AP.

Feedback

Feedback is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Conductoid from the Teslavorr Nebula. Tier: 5-C, possibly Low 5-B physically, Varies, at most 2-A, possibly 1-B with Energy Absorption Name: Feedback Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Alien, Conductoid Powers and Abilities...

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[Reiner04]

Alien X is supposed to be superior to Feedback even with his absorption hax.

Op is dealing with entire universe being 2c, whether alien x is boundless or wall lvl has nothing to do with it. Pls be mindful of what is being discussed.

 

[Lovemovies14]

My bad. I already moved my idea to the general discussion. Keep doing your thing.

 

[Firestorm808]

Will reply when available.

 

[Firestorm808]

To clarify, you are proposing that a single branch of a Ben 10 Multiverse contains contains multiple threads of timelines for the various dimensions?

 

[Reiner04]

To clarify, you are proposing that a single branch of a Ben 10 Multiverse contains contains multiple threads of timelines for the various dimensions?

yea, I am proposing that single entire universe/all encompassing timeline actually contains more than one spacetime continuums/subtimelines/alternate dimensions which branch off together.

 

[Firestorm808]

To my understanding, a single Ben 10 Timeline looks like this.

Timeline 1 Contains the following High 3-A Dimensions

• Normal Universe
• Null Void
• Legerdomain
• Dagon's World
• At least 99 that have been enslaved by Dagon

There are varying clues for dimensions to be considered separate timelines. Do we have justification that other dimensions are unaffected by the destruction of the timeline from the Normal Universe perspective? Do temporal changes in the Normal Universe not affect other dimensions?

 

[Reiner04]

Do we have justification that other dimensions are unaffected by the destruction of the timeline from the Normal Universe perspective. Do temporal changes in the Normal Universe not affect other dimensions

They do affect as to say all dimensions are branching off together regardless if the cause involves only one particular dimension. They're in parallel to eachother dividing continuously. That's the reason that each alternate timeline has it's own nullvoid.

 

[Reiner04]

It can be justified by considering that all these dimensions in entire universe are serviced by single time dimension and temporal change in any of those universe/dimension affect that single time dimension itself which causes all of those dimensions to split together.

 

[Reiner04]

There are varying clues for dimensions to be considered separate timelines. Do we have justification that other dimensions are unaffected by the destruction of the timeline from the Normal Universe perspective? Do temporal changes in the Normal Universe not affect other dimensions?

I am referring here to this explanation of don'ttalkdt.
Post in thread 'Universe level CRT Part 2 (Alternate Dimension Edition)' https://vsbattles.com/threads/unive...ternate-dimension-edition.121139/post-3981498

 

[Aachintya31]

It seems like tier 2 is under revisions but is nowhere near conclusion for over a year.

 

[Reiner04]

It seems like tier 2 is under revisions but is nowhere near conclusion for over a year.

Hmm, regardless it shouldn't be a problem for cosmological structure if suggested to be but for feats which has been performed for such structures.

 

[Aachintya31]

Hmm, regardless it shouldn't be a problem for cosmological structure if suggested to be but for feats which has been performed for such structures.

It seems they are making standards in general for a space to qualify as a space-time continumn since last few posts of the tier 2 CRT but are mostly in disagreements.

 

[KLOL506]

Not a Ben 10 expert but I know two peeps who can help.

@Greenshifter @Zamasu_Chan Care to help out?

 

[Reiner04]

Not a Ben 10 expert but I know two peeps who can help.

Thanx

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I just want to clarify that this makes the timeline 2-C but the universe itself will remain low 2-C. Ben 10 differentiates the two because it’s based asf.

 

[Reiner04]

I just want to clarify that this makes the timeline 2-C but the universe itself will remain low 2-C. Ben 10 differentiates the two because it’s based asf.

If you mean that main dimension itself has been referred as universe sometimes then ig it's something common in all of fiction, to use the term losely. It doesn't have to be exampled but mortal realm in db? And it has been implied many times that actual universe/entire universe is bigger. I don't use games but in Ben 10 vilgax attack, nullvoid is stated to exist in outside of known universe, it's obv also an example tho.

Edit: nah, nah I just checked, there is not even any proof that main dimension specifically referred as universe but there are many scans to prove that (nullvoid + main dimension) combined is referred as universe, so yeah, 2c universe is really more sensible.

 

[Reiner04]

Nullvoid is a part of the entire universe is quite clear in OP, from characters statements to the scan which says that anur system grid the nullvoid to regular space

 

[Greenshifter]

I disagree with everything but the Null Void being a part of Ben's universe.

This map is more correct, the infinite other infinite cross-times part isn't accepted though.
The Null Void being a part of Ben's universe if fine Ig, but I doubt that helps with anything.

 

[Reiner04]

Nah I disagree

This map is more correct, the infinite other infinite cross-times part isn't accepted though.
The Null Void being a part of Ben's universe if fine Ig, but I doubt that helps with anything.

OP is about just universe and not entire cosmology though. It's about if the evidences suggested in OP is enough to suggest nullvoid is a part of universe. Not more neither less. OP is not dealing with dragon's dimension, legerdomain or any other dimension.

 

[Greenshifter]

I edited my post.

 

[Reiner04]

I edited my post.

So you agree nullvoid being part of the universe? Because it's needs to be clear I mean, there is no other thing that this thread is about. Just "If Nullvoid is a part of the universe making entire universe 2c"

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

@Reiner Ahh, my mistake.

 

[Aachintya31]

Bump.

 

[Aachintya31]

I disagree with everything but the Null Void being a part of Ben's universe.

That's like disagreeing with nothing but Agreeing with everything