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Beerus mind destruction
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Ya need scans to prove that souls = mind in dragon ball
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There was a discussion about it and it was said that soul=mind, that's why zamasu got mid godly
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It is already accepted, that soul and mind are linked by vsbttles.
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Dude, how many hours did I wait for you to answer
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Why?
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I'm sorry, I was sleeping at this time, your schedule must be different from mine here in Brazil, this time is 4 am, lol
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I don't think that's how it works, I don't remember us giving mind manipulation to EE at that level, just because it affects the mind along with the soul.
Otherwise a lot of characters with EE would have that.
And before they say "Mind Destruction" it can only be two things, EE that Beerus already has or Mind Manipulation, which as I said I don't remember giving that just because someone can EE someone's mind.
Using an example of a work very much aimed at souls that are accepted as having a mind in them, Bleach. We didn't give a Mind Manipulation to beings like Gremmy because of its EE which affects soul and mind.
If the "mind destruction" you're talking about is EE, it's only necessary to add one more justification by saying that Hakai affects the mind. If it's Mind Manipulation, then I disagree until some more experienced member or staff comes forward saying otherwise.
Otherwise a lot of characters with EE would have that.
And before they say "Mind Destruction" it can only be two things, EE that Beerus already has or Mind Manipulation, which as I said I don't remember giving that just because someone can EE someone's mind.
Using an example of a work very much aimed at souls that are accepted as having a mind in them, Bleach. We didn't give a Mind Manipulation to beings like Gremmy because of its EE which affects soul and mind.
If the "mind destruction" you're talking about is EE, it's only necessary to add one more justification by saying that Hakai affects the mind. If it's Mind Manipulation, then I disagree until some more experienced member or staff comes forward saying otherwise.
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It's accepted that soul=mind and that's how hakai works and through beerus hakai, soul destruction has taken haxi and mind destruction should take place in the same way, we argue with contexts.
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And I already said, what are you trying to talk about with destruction of the mind?
Simply EE only affecting the mind or Mind Manipulation?
So for the first one, Beerus already has it, so the most you need is to put a justification in Beerus's EE.
If it's the second, that's not how it works, I'm pretty sure we don't give Mind Manipulation to someone who does EE in the soul and mind. An example I gave was Gremmy from Bleach, which does EE on the soul and mind level, and he has no mind manipulation.
Anyway, I'll ask a staff member.
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I asked and it really doesn't seem to fit as a form of mind manipulation.
So @Matrixxxx , what are you proposing? Just one more justification in Beerus's EE or Mind Manipulation with the name "Mind Destruction"?
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Yeah this seems weird to me, EE by default destroys the mind but we don’t get everyone this ability or resistance
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Adding mind manip just because it is one of the sub effects of hakai just reeks of cluttered inflated P&A list.
Add at a parenthesis in the explanation of Hakai like this:
Existence Erasure with Hakai and Energy of Destruction ( is able to erase energy, matter, souls and conciousness out of existence at once rendering targets unable to be restored or resurrected through conventional means)
In case no one noticed, Toppo use of Hakai confirms Beerus did indeed use the same power of destruction/ hakai aura to erase the super condensed energy ball during his battle with Goku, meaning his nullification is just another application of the same UES/technique.
Add at a parenthesis in the explanation of Hakai like this:
Existence Erasure with Hakai and Energy of Destruction ( is able to erase energy, matter, souls and conciousness out of existence at once rendering targets unable to be restored or resurrected through conventional means)
In case no one noticed, Toppo use of Hakai confirms Beerus did indeed use the same power of destruction/ hakai aura to erase the super condensed energy ball during his battle with Goku, meaning his nullification is just another application of the same UES/technique.
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Should we also give them atom manipulation for effecting their atoms? It’s just a byproduct of destroying their existence.
If we followed this logic then they’d have a million resistances
If we followed this logic then they’d have a million resistances
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Yes, another example is that we don't give Matter Manipulation to EE which erases the whole body.
EE the body, mind or something else is just EE just functioning on different things. At the most, put it in the justification "Hakai affects body, soul and mind", like Bleach's Gremmy.
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Give them power nullification for erasing other people’s attacks 
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Give them power nullification for erasing other people’s attacks
From Memory Manipulation to EE since it is erasing the memories that remain in the mind and brain.
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Yeah, that seems to make sense. My point is that goku's profile has resistance to mind destruction, just like he has resistance to soul destruction.
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It has an EE that influences the mind
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No. It's redundant asf, we don't give to people with Type 1 concept erasure also Mind, Matter, Soul, Time, Space and Information hax just because these get erased too.
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Justification seems more logical
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I don't know what you mean.
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Tell me, what is erased of a person when you delete them on a concpetual level?
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Dude, we're talking about EE, not cm.
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I don't see any scans, or where are they?
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And CM 1 can be used as EE lmao.
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So is the op wanting to add Mind Destruction for Hakai? Also EE default doesn’t destroy the mind since I saw people claiming that
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Dude, db contains soul=mind, since hakai destroys the soul, it automatically destroys the mind, which gives him both soul and mind destruction, it makes more sense to have a justification for hakai.
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Okay then change the title and op from Mind Manip to Mind Destruction then
since EE doesn’t cover Mind Destruction by default
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Uhm... it's mind manipulation, not mind destruction.
You know, it's in the title.
You know, it's in the title.
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It's a mind destruction
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Why?
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See, so not mind manipulation.
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How is it the former?
You got scans for Soul=Mind since if this does get through we would need a justification for Hakai so if anyone can send them that’ll be nice
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Eh, mind destruction is subset of mind manipulation, don't see difference right now except the distinct actions
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that is just EE, not mind manipulation
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Okay then change the title and op from Mind Manip to Mind Destruction then
since EE doesn’t cover Mind Destruction by default
Simply put in the mind-affecting justification, in the EE.
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