Bayonetta's Witch Time

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Seeing as the last thread is turning into a pure shitshow, I decided to make this thread. So this is a continuation of this thread. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1366188

The issue at hand is whether Bayonetta's Witch Time is either Time Slow or a type of speed boost. We would like input from everyone.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Isn't it clearly time slow? Heck, even in Smash it's time slow.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It is but they argue that it isn't actually time-slow but Bayonetta amping her speed.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Read the thread.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I ain't goin' near that thread...

 

[KinkiestSins]

This thread was needed.

But not highlight my thread? </3

Anyway, gameplay wise, it acts like time slow.

In lore, it is described as speed boost.

In general lore > gameplay.

The only issue I see that is valid is that it is described as both as a type of augmented reactions and also 'temporal control'

I lost track in that thread tbh.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The argument is that because Witch Time puts the witch in a "Hyper-sensorial state" it isn't Time Slow.

Except that if you slowed down time you would be able to perceive things you normally wouldn't with normal-speed time, so it's literally just a semantics game.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Basically no one has given actual evidence that it's NOT time slow other than a non credible statement from Antonio, whereas every instance in both games it is demonstrated to be a time slow

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It being described as a temporal control is evidence of Time Slow TBH. You can't enhance your senses by controling time.

 

[Kepekley23]

It's a speed bost IMO. It's flat-out stated by Antonio to amp the 5 senses, and all the scans are from Bayonetta's perspective.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It's a speed bost IMO. It's flat-out stated by Antonio to amp the 5 senses, and all the scans are from Bayonetta's perspective.

A non credible source and scenes that are blatant time slow do not make it just a speed boost. And from Rosas perspective time was slowed as well.

 

[KinkiestSins]

I agree with Kepekley btw, after reading the thread.

It acts closer to Raiden's Ripper Mode then it does a temporal control imo.

And UMR practically linked sources in the original.

But I am open to debate.

 

[Kepekley23]

All the scans are from Bayonetta's perspective.

Pinning this.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also, UMR mah boi get in here.

 

[Thebluedash]

Anyways to continue from the last thread can anyone provide two examples like Kep asked?

"> Ones that aren't from Bayo's perspective.

Find me two."

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Amping the five senses wouldn't make Bayonetta so fast that everything is slowed down to a crawl. And the Witch Time is not just a reactions boost but a movement speed boost, going by this logic.

Except these same sources say that it is done through Manipulation of Time, and never state Bayonetta's speed is amped.

Through this we can obtain two conclusions:

• Bayonetta manipulates time somehow granting herself enhanced senses, and enhanced speed as well despite the description never stating that.

OR:

• Bayonetta manipulates time, slowing it to a crawl. This in effect puts her in a hyper-sensorial state, where she can perceive events that would happen in the blink of an eye normally.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

> has the word "Time" in it

> is either time slowing or speed rising

> character made by Kamiya, who also made Dante who has three methods of stopping time and at least one method of slowing time but no notable method of raising his speed

Uhm, this probably isn't the best way to decide, but what happens when multiple Bayonettas use Witch Time in Smash?

 

[ALRF]

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It clearly says Witch Time is about delaying the time of what surrounds Bayonetta

 

[LordAizenSama]

It's a speed bost IMO. It's flat-out stated by Antonio to amp the 5 senses, and all the scans are from Bayonetta's perspective.

This. Thread over.

In any event im assuming we debunked the WT planetary range?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Again, even Smash has it as time slow. I know it's the epitome of non-canon, but that should speak for something, given they never got things that inaccurate.

 

[Omimi]

it clearly time slow in gameplay wise

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Alfredo destroying it with the original japanese text.

@Dash

Any Rosa scene. Any Balder scene. Any Jeanne scene. Any scene which is not gameplay.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Cal

WT being a time-slow wouldn't be inaccurate, it would have a similar function.

 

[Golden_Void]

I'm saying if anything, Witch Time only affects Bayonetta herself, not other people, if it even is time manipulation in the first place because multiple in-game sources call witch time a "hyper sensitive state", basically increasing physical attributes, peak emotional energy, and heightening all 5 senses.
I fail to see how time manipulation improves the body.

 

[Kepekley23]

TFW you're just waiting for UMR to post

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Has time in the name

>Described as time manipulation

>The description which supposedly says it is a Speed Amp never says it amps speed.

>Somehow not a time-slow despite being self-evidently so based on every single instance.

smh

 

[LordGinSama]

I agree with Sins and Kepe here. Seems like very good speed amp. Raiden (Metal Gear) from Metal Gear Rising was denied Time Manipulation and it was considered very good statics amp. This is no different imo.

 

[ALRF]

>I fail to see how Time Manipulation improves the body

Literally a character who gets his senses + body + speed boosted by Time Manipulation

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How does enhancing one's senses=Speed boost.

Enhancing touch doesn't boost my speed.

Enhancing my sight doesn't boost my speed.

Enhancing my hearing doesn't boost my speed.

Enhancing my taste doesn't boost my speed.

Enhancing my smell doesn't boost my speed.

 

[Kepekley23]

>Has time in the name

Light Speed activates at the speed of light?

>Described as time manipulation

ALRF translated Light Speed

>>The description which supposedly says it is a Speed Amp never says it amps speed.

It also never says it is a time-stop

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@UMR

The first scan you post states it is Temporal Control, so RIP your argument.

Second Scan is a blatant description of time slow, Time is manipulated making it so that it takes a long time for a waterdrop to fall, or for a bird to flap its wings.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Clearly, your taste buds have never gotten a power boost ovo.

 

[Golden_Void]

Also smash bros is not a Bayonetta game, using arguments from that game is as credible as me using SMT Dante in a DMC debate.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Unite Antonio notebook isn't credible so I don't know why you keep trying to use it as evidence

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Lightspeed is the exact same technique with a different name.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with Sins and Kepe here. Seems like very good speed amp. Raiden (Metal Gear) from Metal Gear Rising was denied Time Manipulation and it was considered very good statics amp. This is no different imo.

Except Raiden has 0 evidence of Time Manipulation and it is outright stated to be a Speed Amp. This is the opposite, stated to be Time Manipulation.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also smash bros is not a Bayonetta game, using arguments from that game is as credible as me using SMT Dante in a DMC debate.

The point was that there's a lot of evidence pointing to time manipulation to the point of even a crossover having it be so should speak volumes.

 

[Thebluedash]

Again, even Smash has it as time slow. I know it's the epitome of non-canon, but that should speak for something, given they never got things that inaccurate.

Can you stop bringing up non-canon subjects? That will not help your case at all and is just a waste of time to discuss.

 

[Kepekley23]

ALRF translated Light Speed

Pinning this.

 

[Golden_Void]

@Unite Antonio notebook isn't credible so I don't know why you keep trying to use it as evidence

Just because you say something isn't credible doesn't mean it is when it has been proven many times to be credible, otherwise I wouldn't be spearheading the downgrades on your verse. But that's another topic. :^)