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Battle of the true vampires (Alucard vs Dio)

Yes, he is, speed is equalized, his bullets null regen on dio's level, and alucard can regenerate from drops of blood
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yes, he is, speed is equalized, his bullets null regen on dio's level, and alucard can regenerate from drops of blood
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Speed equalized doesn't mean Alucard's bullets are now MTFL+, so The World easily slaps the bullets away.

I know what Alucard's Regenerationn is, he's just going to have to recover from being drops of blood a lot of times. Until he stops regenerating.
 
Alucard would have his speed changed to MFTL just like the World's so implying that the World is just going to hit him over and over endlessly without Alucard being able to do anything to prevent it is completely wrong. Alucard can just hold Dio and the World in place with his telekinesis.

Turning Alucard into a puddle wont get rid of his souls and wont make him stop regenerating.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Alucard would have his speed changed to MFTL just like the World's so implying that the World is just going to hit him over and over endlessly without Alucard being able to do anything to prevent it is completely wrong. Alucard can just hold Dio and the World in place with his telekinesis.

Turning Alucard into a puddle wont get rid of his souls and wont make him stop regenerating.
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Telekinesis on DIO, yes. Telekinesis on The World, lmao no. Alucard has never demonstrated using his telekinesis on intangible beings, and therefore would not be able to use it on The World. Once The World obliterates Alucard his telekinesis would stop, and DIO would be free to move.

And even with speed equalized, what is Alucard gonna do, block in time? Being on par in terms of speed with The World doesn't give him any advantage since he's much physically weaker. Alucard having the opportunity to shield his face just results in The World shattering his arms and skull anyways, and then eviscerating his body. Alucard trying to run away to stalemate just results in a time stop and another ass beating. He will literally beat him endlessly without Alucard having the opportunity to do anything.

Turning Alucard into a puddle 200 million times will stop the regenerating.
 
You do know that telekinesis itself is intangible right? You dont need to have a feat of it working on intangible things to say it works on intangible things because telekinesis itself is intangible. In short, yes, it would work on The World.

Well lets see, Alucard has immediate precog that would let him know where the World is going to attack and would allow him to dodge, he can teleport, he can hypnotize Dio just by looking into his eyes, create an illusion to trick Dio into attacking something that isnt there, make the shadows in the surrounding area attack Dio, summon a city's worth of familiars to overwhelm Dio, or literally just fly out of Dio's range as the World can only go 10 meters whereas Alucard can attack from several kilometers away.

Where is that ever stated or even implied?
 
Alucard doesn't even use his TK in a fight. Literally the only time he used it was to S U C C all the blood from across the city.
 
DMUA said:
Alucard doesn't even use his TK in a fight. Literally the only time he used it was to S U C C all the blood from across the city.
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Telekinesis: In the manga, Alucard uses telekinesis to close a door on a fleeing SWAT officer. He also launched six SWAT officers into the air and guided them to flag poles where they were impaled. Alucard is later seen moving a broken down air-craft carrier from the Gulf of Italy to the Dover of London all in a little less than 40 minutes.
 
Hellsing was supposed to be downgraded to 9-A or 8-C, and everyone agreed, but the revisions just stopped because there were no calcs being done.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
You do know that telekinesis itself is intangible right? You dont need to have a feat of it working on intangible things to say it works on intangible things because telekinesis itself is intangible. In short, yes, it would work on The World.
Well lets see, Alucard has immediate precog that would let him know where the World is going to attack and would allow him to dodge, he can teleport, he can hypnotize Dio just by looking into his eyes, create an illusion to trick Dio into attacking something that isnt there, make the shadows in the surrounding area attack Dio, summon a city's worth of familiars to overwhelm Dio, or literally just fly out of Dio's range as the World can only go 10 meters whereas Alucard can attack from several kilometers away.

Where is that ever stated or even implied?
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Telekinesis is the ability to affect an object through thought alone, which implies that the object is tangible. The World is not an object, it's an incoporeal mainfestation of the soul. There is no object for Alucard to interact with via thought when it comes to The World. And must I remind you that two forms of intangibility interacting do not result in a tangible Reaction because the mechanics of intangibility vary from series to series, that fallacy comes from the depiction of ghosts we see in cartoons. It's like saying Star Platinum can punch Kenshiro in Muso Tensei , or that Danny Phantom can punch Kitty Pryde.

Alucard's precognition only works if he can actually dodge the attack, if pushed into a corner he will die, if he can't react in time, he will die. Him teleporting away would work, but everything you so far goes against Alucard's fighting style. He wants to get hit, he wants to feel pain, and he would not run or fly away from death. Hypnotizing is a little much for his style, but even so The World being the same stand as Star Platinum would also mean that The World would prioritize and act on DIO's will, which is to beat the shit out of Alucard, even if DIO is being mindfucked. Form Zero is the easiest for DIO to manage, none of his familiars can stand a chance against DIO, and he now only needs to murder Alucard once.

Alucard has ~200 million souls, if it takes The World 1 second (high end) to deliver a fatal blow to Alucard, and Alucard 1 second to regenerate from it, then it should take DIO roughly 12 years (400 million seconds) of straight murder to kill Alucard. (Assuming no form zero, which is unlikely imo.) 100% possible and feasible for DIO, he has more than enough blood to feed off of, him having the AP advantage means he can dictate where the fight will progress via brute force, (into an area of darkness so he doesn't burn alive) and he has type 1 immortality.
 
No, telekinesis is not limited to tangible objects. If you want to argue that two forms of intangibility dont react the same way then The World will never touch Alucard as he can become both intangible through multiple means as well as become completely incorporeal.

Speed is equalized so yes he will be able to dodge the attack. Where are you getting the idea that alucard wants to be hit? Seriously please explain because not once is this ever the case during the entire series.

Dio doesnt have 12 years, he has approximately 9 hours before the sun comes up and he dies of exposure.
 
'>12 years 'of straight murder to kill Alucard

I doubt Dio would stand there for 12 years just to kill Alucard. This just screams Inconclusive even more now.
 
Alucard is the kind of person to let his regen takes the damage, but he does know when it'll be too much, like against Walter.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
No, telekinesis is not limited to tangible objects. If you want to argue that two forms of intangibility dont react the same way then The World will never touch Alucard as he can become both intangible through multiple means as well as become completely incorporeal.
Speed is equalized so yes he will be able to dodge the attack. Where are you getting the idea that alucard wants to be hit? Seriously please explain because not once is this ever the case during the entire series.

Dio doesnt have 12 years, he has approximately 9 hours before the sun comes up and he dies of exposure.
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WTF I just explained how the very concept IS limited to tangible objects, your counter-argument can't be "no". The proof of burden is o you to prove that Alucard's telekinesis is not limited to just tangible objects, and at the very least demonstrate that it has affected an intangible object before. Like I said, Alucard's fighting style revolves around him willingly putting himself in danger, wanting to get purposely get hurt, so he would never really stick to being incorporeal for very long.

Speed equalized doesn't make everyone dodging experts, or assume that everything is moving at a consistent speed (ie assuming my combat speed is the same as my running speed), but rather that it is the same as your opponents. DIO failed to dodge a punch from Star Platinum , and therefore, if we scale Alucard upwards to DIO's speeds, means that Alucard will fail to dodge a punch from The World eventually.

Like I said, DIO has the AP advantage by a LOT, so he should be able to dictate through brute force and ragdolling Alucard where the battle will take place, be it in a dark secluded mansion or the underground, he has a way of changing the environment so there will be no light to kill him.

Yes, Alucard wants to willingly get himself hurt. He has displayed his willingness to get hurt in every single fight he's been in, how are you confused as to where it's coming from?
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
'>12 years 'of straight murder to kill Alucard
I doubt Dio would stand there for 12 years just to kill Alucard. This just screams Inconclusive even more now.
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I don't think DIO would just sit there and kill him over and over either, he very well could seeing as how he's a sadistic and egotistical freak, but I doubt it. I feel like he would visit and murder Alucard over and over until he finally dies.

DIO still wins, even if it does end up taking a very long time. Inconclusive means no winner can be determined, but seeing as how DIO holds a majority of the advantages and DOES have a way to kill Alucard, he should be the victor, even if it means taking a very long time to do so. So not inconclusive.
 
I mean regardless of grabbing intagible beings or not, Alucard can use his TK and hold Dio far enough to where his stand won't be able to reach Alucard. Then 9 hours they wait for Dio to be exposed to the sun.
 
ProfessorLord said:
I don't think DIO would just sit there and kill him over and over either, he very well could seeing as how he's a sadistic and egotistical freak, but I doubt it. I feel like he would visit and murder Alucard over and over until he finally dies.

DIO still wins, even if it does end up taking a very long time. Inconclusive means no winner can be determined, but seeing as how DIO holds a majority of the advantages and DOES have a way to kill Alucard, he should be the victor, even if it means taking a very long time to do so. So not inconclusive.
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This sounds like a bloodlusted Dio, which is not the case. Dio will stop trying to kill Alucard eventually. Alucard regens and walks away yelling "Like a bitch!"
 
@Professor And youre incorrect, telekinesis is not limited solely to tanbgible things as telekinesis at its core is already intangible as it is literally thought given force. And no, Alucard's fighting style does not revolve around purposely being injured and it never has.

Alucard dodges attacks all the time and its further amped by his precog so yes he is actually a dodging expert and yes, speed equalization does by the very definition mean that everything is moving at one consistent speed.

Dio's AP advantage is barely 5x and alucard has half a dozen abilities that ensure he wont be getting harmed by Dio's attacks or even touched at all, brute force wont help Dio fight an opponent he cant hit. It is completely in character for Alucard to level the battlefield when he gets pissed off enough and Dio still cant survive being hit by Jackal's regen nulling bullets.

Alucard was holding back immensely and toying with Luke because he knew Luke couldnt beat him, he has never purposely allowed himself to be hit against an opponent as powerful as himself.
 
Weekly. This a fight with HIGH DIO. The most powerful dio.(also the calculation for alycard is large building unless the source was wrong).

Also what? Dio can hit intangibles mate and he can stop time and spam that which mean alucard cant exactly hit dio while dio can hit alucard with no threat of being attacked as a counter. Also dio with blood can regenerate from Regenerationn negation. And flooding a city with blood?.

Also high dio is generally bloodlusted. He shit stomped jotaro and only stopped for one sentence. Excluding the fact part three dio is generally genre savy and goes for the kill first chance he gets pointed out by Joseph or at least implued (would have stomped the crusaders at the palace although he lacked a longer time stop thus he couldnt) he went for a kill on kak and pol and did so and went for a kill on jotaro after testing out za warudo.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
No, telekinesis is not limited to tangible objects. If you want to argue that two forms of intangibility dont react the same way then The World will never touch Alucard as he can become both intangible through multiple means as well as become completely incorporeal.

Speed is equalized so yes he will be able to dodge the attack. Where are you getting the idea that alucard wants to be hit? Seriously please explain because not once is this ever the case during the entire series.

Dio doesnt have 12 years, he has approximately 9 hours before the sun comes up and he dies of exposure.
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Mate ya well aware that doesnt work the way ya claim.

>Is the entire series untill the end.

Dio can move and come back as long as he comes back within a week dud ya even check sba? Self bfr is a week. Also dio can haul alycard with him with class k strength of over a few hundred tons with a finger.

Za warudo punches at mftl speeds weekly. Speed equal would still let za warudo kill alycard hundreds of times a moment.
 
  • Incorporeality: Alucard's true form is a shadow like non-physical entity. All physical and even supernatural attacks phase right through him and it is extremely difficult to damage his true form.
Inconclusive. That, or Alucard does some illusiony tricks and makes Dio think the sun hasn't risen yet when it's actually noon
 
Yeah? Shadow stands exist. Sethan is one. Za warudo (and chariot) can harm sethan with no effort.

And ya are aware dio is just as likely to use mindhax on aluard as alucard is on dio?

(Excluding the fact the fight shouldnt even last 9 hours at the speed he and alucard is fighting).
 
The only time Sethan was physically interected with (not even harmed) was when it was raised out of the ground and had become solid.

Alucard resists mind hax. Dio does not
 
False monarch. Chariot interacted with sethan at least twice. Would appreciate it if ya stopped claiming falsehoods.

Not flesh buds mate. Yeah also excluding the fact alucard had no feats of creating an illusion of that scale. Also the hax that alucard gas definitely is our of combat only. Takes awhile and requires a bit of standing around. He cant do that when fighting a pseudo lusted high Dio and za warudo.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BBuHiJYZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc0GSXkXAnQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njVD5nWE7EQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2cJZP76-TI

I watched their fight in the anime. The only time Chariot touches the shadow is when it blocks its attack with the axe, and that is when it has risen out of the ground and become solid.

As if fleshbuds, which directly affect the physical brain, would do anything to a guy who laughs off his brain being turned to mush.

Then Alucard glances in his eyes after being mushed a few times and tells him to stand around in the sun for a bit. Or just tells him to off himself.
 
Genericstickman said:
I still think it's not a fair fight if one of the fighters has a time limit to kill the other before they get killed by the arena
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A weakness is a weakness.

Not like Dio needs to stay outdoors when the sun comes up though.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Professor And youre incorrect, telekinesis is not limited solely to tanbgible things as telekinesis at its core is already intangible as it is literally thought given force. And no, Alucard's fighting style does not revolve around purposely being injured and it never has.
Alucard dodges attacks all the time and its further amped by his precog so yes he is actually a dodging expert and yes, speed equalization does by the very definition mean that everything is moving at one consistent speed.

Dio's AP advantage is barely 5x and alucard has half a dozen abilities that ensure he wont be getting harmed by Dio's attacks or even touched at all, brute force wont help Dio fight an opponent he cant hit. It is completely in character for Alucard to level the battlefield when he gets pissed off enough and Dio still cant survive being hit by Jackal's regen nulling bullets.

Alucard was holding back immensely and toying with Luke because he knew Luke couldnt beat him, he has never purposely allowed himself to be hit against an opponent as powerful as himself.
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(Google) Telekinesis: the supposed ability to move objects at a distance by mental power or other nonphysical means.

VsBattles: Ability to affect physical objects via thoughts only.

Both definitions of what telekinesis is include the word "object". This implies a tangible object, something made up of matter. (The definition of object is "a material thing that can be seen and touched".) The World is an intangible, incorporeal force, (definiton of incorporeal means made up of no matter) as with almost all stands in Jojo. Therefore, since the very concept of telekinesis is limited to tangible objects, (by definition of the word) telekinesis cannot be used against The World, since The World lacks any sort of material form to be interacted with.

Proof of burden is upon you to prove that Alucard's telekinesis is different, and has the ability to interact with intangible objects as well.

"I just explained how the very concept IS limited to tangible objects, your counter-argument can't be "no"."

Alucard ca dodge with precog. That is not what speed equilization means on this wiki, you're an admin, you of all people should know this. We equalize speed between characters to avoid speed disparities between the two. If DIO can run at 100mph, than speed equalized means Alucard can run at 100mph as well. If DIO can punch at 300mph, than speed equalized means Alucard can punch at 300mph as well. We don't change a characters movement speed to match their combat speed, that is giving a character an unwarranted speed increase. That would be like saying since Keith Liddell can punch at 45mph, he can now run at 45mph thanks to speed equalized, which is entirely wrong.

DIO is still 5x as powerful, which allows him to dictate through brute force where he wants the battle to progress towards. This can include an underground passage or a dark mansion, in order to avoid the sunlight. Ultimately, Alucard wants to fight, and will chase after DIO if it means an opportunity to do so. Speed equalized does not make Alucard's equipment MTFL, so The World is still easily able to deflect The Jackal. In-character, after Alucard shoots at DIO enough, he'd probably get pissed and stop time, destroy the guns, and donut Alucard.

Alucard has demonstrated hiswillingness tounnecessarily take hits and absorb damage, despite having access to intangibility. He's demonstrated it in every single fight he's been in. It's unreasonable to say that he would use it to escape from The World, since he had not used it to escape 99% of attacks. His motives that you made up are head-cannon.
 
If attack speed is ridiculously slower, it gets brought up too, so the jackals are the same speed actually.
 
>becomes solid. Yeah kinda like alucard? Hes still a shadow there. Also just remembered black sabbath and Paisley park exist. Not that it matters as even the scene ya linked showed chariot interacting with a shadow. Remember sethan a bound stand. Hes a shadow while moving and being flat as hes litterally bound to a literal shadow. He is at all time a shadow.

And where does alucards hax resustance come from?.

Not how that works mate. Alucard stands there. Has to have dio look durectily at him for a few seconds. Lift his finger, directly touch dios forehead. Etc. Dont pull shit that alycard can get that off because by the time alucard would even think of doing that dio would be aware of his Regenerationn and be mushing him every moment of alucards soon to be over unlife.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
*Incorporeality: Alucard's true form is a shadow like non-physical entity. All physical and even supernatural attacks phase right through him and it is extremely difficult to damage his true form.
Inconclusive. That, or Alucard does some illusiony tricks and makes Dio think the sun hasn't risen yet when it's actually noon
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Alucard has never used incorporeality for more than a moments, and he sure as hell has never used it to win a fight. In-character, he'd rather progress the fight more than anything, seeing as how he willingly lets himself get fatally wounded in every single fight he's been in. (See my other post for examples.)

Alucard has demonstrated no resistance to mindhax? If you want to scale him off of Seras Victoria resisiting the illusions bullshit than that's fine, but keep in mind that is minor resistance at best, seeing as how it took her 5-10 minutes before she broke free.

DIO has resistance to mindhax in the form of The World, as just like Star Platinum, if any harm is to befall the stand user (Jotaro/DIO), their stands have the ability to act on behalf of them and their will. So if DIO becomes mindfucked and is paralyzed in the middle of the fight, The World will grab a rock (or the many knives DIO has) and smash Alucards brains in, stopping the mindhax.
 
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